Overloading the container's TSO rating

[filioque 0]

I have an exit weight of 300 lbs. (includes gear) I am jumping a 1990 telesis. Is there anyone out there who is doing the same. I have already done 8 jumps and have had no problems . Am I pushing my luck?
This is TSO C23c Category B ( 254 lbs 154 knots)

[justinb138 0]

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I have an exit weight of 300 lbs. (includes gear) I am jumping a 1990 telesis. Is there anyone out there who is doing the same. I have already done 8 jumps and have had no problems . Am I pushing my luck?
This is TSO C23c Category B ( 254 lbs 154 knots)

You're jumping a 16 year-old rig at 120% of the TSO'd weight limit?

Yes. What reserve do you have in there?

[filioque 0]

My reserve is a Para-Flite Swift plus 225 (231 sq. ft.)

[skybytch 273]

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My reserve is a Para-Flite Swift plus 225 (231 sq. ft.)

You're pushing your luck.

[justinb138 0]

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My reserve is a Para-Flite Swift plus 225 (231 sq. ft.)

I hope there are no terminal reserve rides in your future.

[GravityGirl 0]

You are not pushing your luck, you are being careless. If/when the harness fails it could be catastrophic.

It is possible to retrofit a Tandem Harness Container system to suit your needs. It may be an inexpensive alternative to new custom gear.

Feel free to PM me any time.

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[BIGUN 1,409]

My fellow Anvil Brother. Please heed their words. The combination of the rig with a reserve rated at 240# is not a good scenario.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[azureriders 0]

Ok, I have been waiting for the chance to ask this so here goes. Is it just me or is there a lot of overloading going on around and is it not hard to avoid.

I am jumping a wings container DOM 10/04, label reads This container is limited to use by person up to 254lbs, fully equipped, up to 150 knots. My exit weight is 275, +0-5 on any given weekend.

I bought this rig second hand and it fits me great, as far as comfort, hip ring placement, etc. But now for the kicker, I have tons of left over chest strap to stow and my leg straps are sinched up about as tight as the padding will allow, and my legs are quit large for my weight. There is no way this rig would fit someone smaller than me and would fit someone WAY bigger than me. Now whats up with that?????????? This rig was also custom made for a guy that is +-5lbs of my weight

A little extra info, 275 is not my bare foot weight (235#) plus 20 or 22lbs, it is actuall scale reading with me fully clothed, jump suit, wallet, helmet, etc, you get the point, so that is my weight plus 40.

For those of you who are concerned enough to go off on my experience level, I started with a manta 288 and worked my way through the rental gear with very close coaching, no skiping sizes, and with good landings on ea before moving on. I now fly my 230 very concervative and plan to stay that way. However, I am also open to your criticism
I have also asked this question, and about the loading of my reserve, to more than one rigger that knows my pilot skills (or the lack there of). All have told me that my rig is fine and that I will have NO problems with my reserve, but I thought it would be good to get some input from here as well.

Sorry so long and to the original poster, hopefully some feed back to my question may help answer yours as well.

[mjosparky 4]

Your harness/container has a maximum recommended exit weight of 254 at a speed not to exceed 150 KEAS. That means it was tested to 305 pounds at a speed of 180 KEAS.
Your reserve has a maximum recommended exit weight of 264 pounds at a speed not to exceed 150 KEAS. That means it was tested to 316 pounds at a speed of 180 KEAS. Note: for your experience level they recommend not to exceed 220 pound.
Your main has a maximum exit weight of 299 with a recommendation of 218 for your experience level.
All these figures are based on a “standard day” at MSL.

The amount of risk you are willing to take is entirely up to you. But if by chance you have a problem, remember that you were advised and knew the limits of the gear before hand. Besides, whats the worst that could happen.

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I have also asked this question, and about the loading of my reserve, to more than one rigger that knows my pilot skills (or the lack there of).

Your pilot skills have nothing at all to do with weather or not you reserve will take a terminal deployment at your exit weight.

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[azureriders 0]

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Your pilot skills have nothing at all to do with weather or not you reserve will take a terminal deployment at your exit weight.

Exactly, and that was my question, about the gear limits not my experience. Thanks for the very informative info. I still wonder why a container would be made with a harness so large that it would only fit someone over the TSO limit, unless the manufacturer expected it to be overloaded. Thoughts?

[atsaubrey 0]

I am probably one of the biggest ever to skyive and just since i got my new gear over the winter do i feel comfortable jumping. I have a 335 reserve rated to 444lbs and still "worry" about deploying it at terminal. Think about that.

"GOT LEAD?"

[mjosparky 4]

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I still wonder why a container would be made with a harness so large that it would only fit someone over the TSO limit, unless the manufacturer expected it to be overloaded. Thoughts?

I for one can not say why manufacture do some of the things they do. But having been involved in testing for a number of years I do know why they post limits on the gear.

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[riggerrob 643]

Back in 1994, I helped Rigging Innovations retest teeh original Telesis design to meet TSO C23D.
I lost count of how many 340+ pound dummies I loaded into that B-25 bomber.
We dropped three at a time, from 300 feet.
We dropped them at 205 knots, because that was the fastest that World War Two surplus bomber could fly with its bomb bay doors open.
Most of the test canopies were Swift Pluses.

That 1990 Telesis could probably handle your weight - when it was new - but I would not trust any 16 year old harness at the edges of its envelope.

Kind of like, you can exceed the red line - a few times - with a new airplane, but only a fool would exceed the red line in a fifty year old airplane.

[filioque 0]

I greatly appreciate your information. I have decided to rent gear in TSO C23 Category D (300 175 knots) until I loose weight.

[ifallout 0]

your call completely, but you are on the edge of the rating for your gear and you have only 70 jumps, I know you said you downsized without skipping steps, but that would mean only a couple jumps on each one.

While your wing loading is fairly conservative, your gear is pushing its rating every jump.

I would not say anything at all but you were the one that mentioned how it was not hard to avoid the overloading issue.

Bill

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