The people who write spyware

[Darius11 12]

Do you ever want to kill them all? I do today.
I got something on here that will just bring up some random web site when I am trying to log in on the important web sites like here.

I ran safe mode and spy sweeper and it deleted the virus, however I still get highjack. I have every shield on and have run virus and spyware sweeper about 10 times even in safe mode.

So lets just kill the fuckers who frustrate all of us so much. Who is with me?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[ryoder 1,590]

Perhaps you should consider blaming an OS vendor who is still clueless about secure operating system design even after a couple decades of seeing the results of insecure design.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Lindercles 0]

And while we're at it, blame the builder when your house gets broken into.

[Nightingale 0]

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And while we're at it, blame the builder when your house gets broken into.

If your builder let you buy a house that it knew was full of wide open holes that damn near anyone could walk through, blaming him would probably be pretty reasonable.

[Darius11 12]

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And while we're at it, blame the builder when your house gets broken into.

If your builder let you buy a house that it knew was full of wide open holes that damn near anyone could walk through, blaming him would probably be pretty reasonable.

I agree

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Broke 0]

Don't you mean Realitor?

Divot your source for all things Hillbilly.
Anvil Brother 84
SCR 14192

[NickDG 23]

I think we all bought into the "myth" that worms and viruses are written by some bored 16-year old in Germany.

MacAfee, Norton, and the rest just make too much of killing every time there is a new "scare." So I'm pretty sure they are burning both ends of the candle . . .

NickD

[Lindercles 0]

That pretty well describes every house ever built.

[Nightingale 0]

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Don't you mean Realitor?

No, I mean builder. The guy that was responsible for overseeing the planning and construction of the home.

[Nightingale 0]

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That pretty well describes every house ever built.

Wide open = not covered by doors and windows.

[ryoder 1,590]

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And while we're at it, blame the builder when your house gets broken into.

I run these OS's:
- Solaris
- FreeBSD
- OpenBSD
- DragonflyBSD
- NetBSD
- Linux
- Mac OS X

I've never had a virus or a break-in. Now why is that one "builder" unable to build a secure house while everyone else can? And please don't trot out that tire old "because it the biggest part of the market" apology. I've heard it all before.

When a hacker can be physically present anywhere on the planet, and attack a box anywhere else, it is as hopeless to try to use enforcement again them, as it is to leave your doors and windows wide open and try to chase out all the birds and squirrels that come in because your builder was too stupid to install screens.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Broke 0]

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Don't you mean Realitor?

No, I mean builder. The guy that was responsible for overseeing the planning and construction of the home.

Well lets just tack on the realitor as well why don't we. Because they facilitated the purchase of said home

Divot your source for all things Hillbilly.
Anvil Brother 84
SCR 14192

[Lindercles 0]

In this particular metaphor, Windows OS has plenty of "doors and windows" that are about as secure as the doors and windows in the average home.

ETA: The whole point of that metaphor was to point out that, while Windows does indeed have a lot of vulnerable points, that doesn't take any of the blame off of the people who write software that exploits them.

[Thanatos340 1]

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If your builder let you buy a house that it knew was full of wide open holes that damn near anyone could walk through

You mean like Doors and windows?? I kind of expect them with a house.

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blaming him would probably be pretty reasonable.

How about People that just left the Doors wide open and then want to blame the Builder when they get broke into??

Not the builders fault people are stupid.

Same here, people download and install crap on their PC`s that are full of spyware. Not the OS`s fault. it is the users fault. I kinda like being able to open and close doors when I want, If I didn’t want that ability, I would have bought a mac.

Leave your door unlocked (No Anti-Spyware, firewall, antivirus and/or poor downloading habits), Someone gets in (Spyware installed), Not the builders fault.

[Bolas 5]

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I think we all bought into the "myth" that worms and viruses are written by some bored 16-year old in Germany.

MacAfee, Norton, and the rest just make too much of killing every time there is a new "scare." So I'm pretty sure they are burning both ends of the candle . . .

NickD

I don't think they create them. They do however, show on their website all the vulernabilities, how to exploit them, and usually a script or executable to find the vulnerability.

Like putting the gun, the bullets, and directions for use next to a suicidal person and the being shocked at the results.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[normiss 806]

agreed...and also like any other house, with proper security measures no breakins will occur.

[beowulf 1]

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And while we're at it, blame the builder when your house gets broken into.

I run these OS's:
- Solaris
- FreeBSD
- OpenBSD
- DragonflyBSD
- NetBSD
- Linux
- Mac OS X

I've never had a virus or a break-in. Now why is that one "builder" unable to build a secure house while everyone else can? And please don't trot out that tire old "because it the biggest part of the market" apology. I've heard it all before.

When a hacker can be physically present anywhere on the planet, and attack a box anywhere else, it is as hopeless to try to use enforcement again them, as it is to leave your doors and windows wide open and try to chase out all the birds and squirrels that come in because your builder was too stupid to install screens.

That's really not a fair assesment. Part of the reason that there are so many viri for Windows is because Windows OS's are the most common ones that consumers are using and they are the targets. If the majority of users had Linux then the hackers would be targeting Linux more then Windows. The ease of hacking into them is just added benefit for the hackers. But most of the spyware depends on the user being stupid.

I run Windows 2000 on one computer at home and Windows XP on my work laptop and never have any problems with viri or spyware.

[Darius11 12]

So if you don’t lock your door or make it impenetrable and you get robed, the robber is not an ass hole in your book but the guy who got robbed is. So if your walking down a bad area and you get shot it is your fault for not having a bullet proof vest?

Interesting way of looking at things.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

I have to say I love the fact that some on here have so much blind hate for me that they would side with the devil just to throw a few names at me. Sad existence some of you have, you did notice this is posted in bonfire right?

I have to say I am very surprised John has not said something about an angry Muslim yet, funny how who posts matters more then the subject to some of you.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[livendive 8]

What he said.

Your car likely has several doors and windows. If you leave the windows down and the doors unlocked and someone steals it, it's your fault for leaving it unsecured and the thief's fault for exploiting your poor judgement. It's not Ford's fault that you didn't take reasonable precautions and/or buy some anti-theft device(s).

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[ryoder 1,590]

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That's really not a fair assesment. Part of the reason that there are so many viri for Windows is because Windows OS's are the most common ones that consumers are using and they are the targets. If the majority of users had Linux then the hackers would be targeting Linux more then Windows. The ease of hacking into them is just added benefit for the hackers. But most of the spyware depends on the user being stupid.

Just keep telling yourself it is true and eventually you will believe it. I was using BSD on the Internet in 1986. I have been using Linux on the Internet since 1991. I've never had a virus. Sun's OS's have been on the Internet since the mid-80's. There was one big incident (the Morris worm) that taught everyone a lesson in the late '80's.

Microsoft didn't even know what the Internet was until the mid-90's, and it was only after MS starting adding IP to their OS that viruses became an everyday occurrence.

Now with all those OS's being around for years before MS products, hackers had a decade head start to work on them, and yet it is only MS that has problems with viruses. Now why is that???

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Darius11 12]

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What he said.

Your car likely has several doors and windows. If you leave the windows down and the doors unlocked and someone steals it, it's your fault for leaving it unsecured and the thief's fault for exploiting your poor judgement. It's not Ford's fault that you didn't take reasonable precautions and/or buy some anti-theft device(s).

Blues,
Dave

Oh really sherlock so the guy who has no issue taking another’s property is not an issue at all in your book? At least now I know why we need locks in this world.

I have always believed in respecting others and don’t need a lock or gun to do so.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Thanatos340 1]

NO.. Not my point at all.. Read the thread again.

People were blaming the Builder.. (Or operating system)

For the crook (the spyware writer and YES, This is the real Problem) and the Idiot (User that leaves their system open and/or installs spyware filled applications on thier PC) causing this problem.

The criminal is the one that writes the malware, Spyware, Virus or aother such crap. (Yes, They should be bitch slapped)
But some people here want to blame Microsoft for that.
Most spyware is actually INSTALLED by the user. I dont fault Microsoft at all for that.

[AlexCrowley 0]

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And while we're at it, blame the builder when your house gets broken into.

I run these OS's:
- Solaris
- FreeBSD
- OpenBSD
- DragonflyBSD
- NetBSD
- Linux
- Mac OS X

I've never had a virus or a break-in. Now why is that one "builder" unable to build a secure house while everyone else can? And please don't trot out that tire old "because it the biggest part of the market" apology. I've heard it all before.

When a hacker can be physically present anywhere on the planet, and attack a box anywhere else, it is as hopeless to try to use enforcement again them, as it is to leave your doors and windows wide open and try to chase out all the birds and squirrels that come in because your builder was too stupid to install screens.

Perhaps because mass adoption of technology requires it to be user friendly. Locking Windows down is as easy as locking down Linux or BSD, however you will 'break' things in the eyes of the average user.

Users generally don't want to remember difficult passwords, or confirm that they really did mean to create a socket, or reconfigure their firewall every time a friend comes over and wants to use IM, or share files. In fact, they'll disable all the crap that gets in the way of them doing stuff if you tell them where the off switch is.

Technology failed the users. Users don't know any better. I tend to think Apple is closer to approaching the right balance than the majority of other vendors, but it's always going to be a struggle to manage complexity while remaining accessible to people who simply view their computers as a thing to get stuff done with, rather than an end unto itself.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[Darius11 12]

Just in my defense I have Norton, and Spy Sweeper on at all times with all their shields. I am not programmer so I thought having the recommended software is enough.

What is expected from a normal PC user?

I will take some responsibility for not hiring a programmer to install something else, but I hold the person with the intent to hurt more responsible them my self. However I do not view my self free clear I should have done more research.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain