CSpenceFLY 1 #26 December 11, 2007 You should have noticed by now that I pick carefully who I am an asshole to. I don't usually go after whole groups of people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #27 December 11, 2007 QuoteSome things are better kept to ourselves. After all I could say rehab is for weak minded loosers but that would not be very nice now would it. Everybody know that rehab is for quitters. Duh! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #28 December 11, 2007 Quote Are there a lot of recovering drug addicts/ alcoholics in skydiving? I know there are plenty of active ones, but its the recovering ones I'm interested in. I'm a recovering alcoholic/addict. 12 years clean and sober __ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johndh1 0 #29 December 11, 2007 Quote You should have noticed by now that I pick carefully who I am an asshole to. I don't usually go after whole groups of people. Yeah, especially two groups at once.Roll Tide Roll Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #30 December 11, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I figure when it's down to doing the 12-step thing or being dead, the 12-step thing is probably the better option. But that's just my opinion. And luckily, doing the 12-step thing or being dead are not the only two options for addicts. (Though unfortunately, that is what most treatment programs will tell them.) Dot know about there, but here inOZ, there are many promoted methods of getting and staying clean. If fact a lot of money is made trying to convince people to NOT do 12 step programs. 12 Step programs are not for everyone, but they do work and work they well for those who work it. I agree, Squeak. And I didn't mean for that to sound like an insult to 12-step programs. I just meant that it's a good thing that there are other options available (some free, some not), since the 12-step programs aren't the best solution for everyone. And yes, it's unfortunate that there are a lot of people who just seem to be trying to make money off of other people's problems, but I guess that's one of the drawbacks of living in a capitalist economy. Anyhow, congrats on many years of sobriety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #31 December 11, 2007 I think you should read my original post to this thread and read in some sarcasm pointed at the poster that I quoted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #32 December 11, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote I figure when it's down to doing the 12-step thing or being dead, the 12-step thing is probably the better option. But that's just my opinion. And luckily, doing the 12-step thing or being dead are not the only two options for addicts. (Though unfortunately, that is what most treatment programs will tell them.) Dot know about there, but here inOZ, there are many promoted methods of getting and staying clean. If fact a lot of money is made trying to convince people to NOT do 12 step programs. 12 Step programs are not for everyone, but they do work and work they well for those who work it. I agree, Squeak. And I didn't mean for that to sound like an insult to 12-step programs. I just meant that it's a good thing that there are other options available (some free, some not), since the 12-step programs aren't the best solution for everyone. And yes, it's unfortunate that there are a lot of people who just seem to be trying to make money off of other people's problems, but I guess that's one of the drawbacks of living in a capitalist economy. Anyhow, congrats on many years of sobriety. I am not sure but it sounds like your saying 12 step Programs such as NA,AA etc are making money off other peoples problems? While I can't speak about anything other then NA I can assure you they are not making ANY MONEY off anyone. I have held positions from the group to the regional levels and no one is getting paid in NA. I am not going to get into the Traditions that NA and AA share here but I am wondering why you think people are getting paid and where is that moeny coming from? MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #33 December 11, 2007 QuoteQuote6 Years on 2/11/08 Congrats! :) 16 or 17 years clean for me on 2/14/08. I've lost count. Thanks Lisa and Conrats to you as well. Life Rocks when you can remember what you did they night before :) MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grannyinthesky 0 #34 December 11, 2007 QuoteI am not sure but it sounds like your saying 12 step Programs such as NA,AA etc are making money off other peoples problems? While I can't speak about anything other then NA I can assure you they are not making ANY MONEY off anyone. No, it's not NA, AA, etc that are making money but there are a lot of quick fix poorly run businesses springing up looking for govt money for treating people with drug/alcohol type problems."safety first... and What the hell..... safety second, Too!!! " ~~jmy POPS #10490 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johndh1 0 #35 December 11, 2007 Quote I think you should read my original post to this thread and read in some sarcasm pointed at the poster that I quoted. Huh? I was talking about that post you responded to (though halfway kidding), something like "12-step bad = 12-step gay = gay bad..." Oh, I'll shut up.Roll Tide Roll Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #36 December 11, 2007 QuoteI am not sure but it sounds like your saying 12 step Programs such as NA,AA etc are making money off other peoples problems? Nope, I wasn't saying that at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #37 December 11, 2007 Ok :) I re-read it a couple times and get what you was saying :) MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #38 December 11, 2007 Ok, good. Sorry if I didn't communicate very clearly in that post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #39 December 11, 2007 Quote Ok, good. Sorry if I didn't communicate very clearly in that post. I got You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wightout 0 #40 December 12, 2007 Still sad we're gonna miss seeing you!! You should be coming any day now!! Have fun!!To borrow a line from Squeak...MY LIFE ROCKS!! HOW'S YOURS??!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #41 December 14, 2007 Redstone Rehab -- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YouGetThat 0 #42 December 14, 2007 Quote Redstone Rehab you would be amazed at the amount of people you actually rationalise just like that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #43 December 14, 2007 QuoteAre there a lot of recovering drug addicts/ alcoholics in skydiving? I know there are plenty of active ones, but its the recovering ones I'm interested in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU2EtLHVoiIIllinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #44 December 14, 2007 QuoteAnd yes, it's unfortunate that there are a lot of people who just seem to be trying to make money off of other people's problems, but I guess that's one of the drawbacks of living in a capitalist economy. Am I missing something? I don't know of any AA or NA or CR groups that charge anything for their service. WHO is making money off people's quest for sobriety? Are you talking about LADCs or LPCs that work in a clinic??? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #45 December 14, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnd yes, it's unfortunate that there are a lot of people who just seem to be trying to make money off of other people's problems, but I guess that's one of the drawbacks of living in a capitalist economy. Am I missing something? I don't know of any AA or NA or CR groups that charge anything for their service. WHO is making money off people's quest for sobriety? Are you talking about LADCs or LPCs that work in a clinic??? I'm not sure how anyone is reading what I wrote to mean that AA or NA is charging anything. I was replying to Squeak, who was talking about others trying to make money from it (mostly in situations where they are trying to convince people not to attend 12-step programs). But yeah, even counselors or rehabs are making money off of other people's quest for sobriety. That doesn't mean that they're scammers though; everyone has to make a living. And people who are offering alternatives to 12-step programs are not necessarily scammers either. We live in a capitalist economy, so people have to make money, but when dealing with a problem such as addiction, that makes it difficult to tell who really wants to help and who just wants your money. And that is one of the good things about 12-step-groups (and other member-funded support groups) - that they are basically free, so the intention is not questionable. (Well, except that some people are convinced that 12-step groups are a big conspiracy to convert people to Christianity, but I don't buy that.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #46 December 14, 2007 Quote But yeah, even counselors or rehabs are making money off of other people's quest for sobriety. By that same tone, I guess Drs are making money off other people's illnesses, morticians are making money off other people's grief. etc. I don't think I believe that is what you are indicating, but I wasn't sure what you meant, thus I asked, "Am I missing something?" S'all good. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #47 December 14, 2007 Quote By that same tone, I guess Drs are making money off other people's illnesses, morticians are making money off other people's grief. etc. Yes, they are. But again, that's because most people can't get by without making money from what they do. And I think that most of them have good intentions, not just doing it for the sake of making money off of other people's problems. I'm not sure if you're missing something or just reading more into what is actually there, or if you didn't read what it was that I was originally replying to. Or maybe I'm just not communicating well. (Wouldn't be the first time. ) Anyhow, I'm not trying to say anything bad about the whole rehabilitation industry, or the 12-step programs. I apologize if that's what it's sounding like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #48 December 14, 2007 No need to apologize, I guess I simply misunderstood you. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #49 December 14, 2007 No discussion of 12-step programs is complete w/o bringing up Penn & Tellers "Bullshit" episode on the topic. Note that the video is in multiple parts. Here is the link to part #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tPNgHrIkgo"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaH 0 #50 December 14, 2007 Quote Quote Quote And yes, it's unfortunate that there are a lot of people who just seem to be trying to make money off of other people's problems, but I guess that's one of the drawbacks of living in a capitalist economy. Am I missing something? I don't know of any AA or NA or CR groups that charge anything for their service. WHO is making money off people's quest for sobriety? Are you talking about LADCs or LPCs that work in a clinic??? I'm not sure how anyone is reading what I wrote to mean that AA or NA is charging anything. I was replying to Squeak, who was talking about others trying to make money from it (mostly in situations where they are trying to convince people not to attend 12-step programs). But yeah, even counselors or rehabs are making money off of other people's quest for sobriety. That doesn't mean that they're scammers though; everyone has to make a living. And people who are offering alternatives to 12-step programs are not necessarily scammers either. We live in a capitalist economy, so people have to make money, but when dealing with a problem such as addiction, that makes it difficult to tell who really wants to help and who just wants your money. And that is one of the good things about 12-step-groups (and other member-funded support groups) - that they are basically free, so the intention is not questionable. (Well, except that some people are convinced that 12-step groups are a big conspiracy to convert people to Christianity, but I don't buy that.) All the crap with rehabs and the 12-step program is exactly why I just curled up in bed for 3 weeks and kicked the habit myself. The programs made me feel like a piece of gutter trash. Then want to do drugs so I would feel better. It's a vicious cycle. That was 16/17 years ago and I've never looked back. Be yourself! MooOOooOoo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
