Drug addicts

[Shotgun 1]

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All the crap with rehabs and the 12-step program is exactly why I just curled up in bed for 3 weeks and kicked the habit myself. The programs made me feel like a piece of gutter trash. Then want to do drugs so I would feel better. It's a vicious cycle.

That was 16/17 years ago and I've never looked back.

Umm, wasn't there a recent thread about how much vodka and Jack you drink? (Not that it's any of my business, but now I'm curious about that.)

Anyhow, it seems that the 12-step programs work really well for some people, do nothing for other people, and may even be harmful for some others. I guess the important thing is for each individual to find out what works for them.

[akarunway 1]

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And yes, it's unfortunate that there are a lot of people who just seem to be trying to make money off of other people's problems, but I guess that's one of the drawbacks of living in a capitalist economy.

Am I missing something? I don't know of any AA or NA or CR groups that charge anything for their service. WHO is making money off people's quest for sobriety? Are you talking about LADCs or LPCs that work in a clinic???

I'm not sure how anyone is reading what I wrote to mean that AA or NA is charging anything. I was replying to Squeak, who was talking about others trying to make money from it (mostly in situations where they are trying to convince people not to attend 12-step programs).

But yeah, even counselors or rehabs are making money off of other people's quest for sobriety. That doesn't mean that they're scammers though; everyone has to make a living. And people who are offering alternatives to 12-step programs are not necessarily scammers either.

We live in a capitalist economy, so people have to make money, but when dealing with a problem such as addiction, that makes it difficult to tell who really wants to help and who just wants your money. And that is one of the good things about 12-step-groups (and other member-funded support groups) - that they are basically free, so the intention is not questionable. (Well, except that some people are convinced that 12-step groups are a big conspiracy to convert people to Christianity, but I don't buy that.)

All the crap with rehabs and the 12-step program is exactly why I just curled up in bed for 3 weeks and kicked the habit myself. The programs made me feel like a piece of gutter trash. Then want to do drugs so I would feel better. It's a vicious cycle.

That was 16/17 years ago and I've never looked back.

Totally agree. Skydiving helped me quit coke after detoxing myself. I'd look at my money and hold out my hands. Skydiving in one and coke in the other. I picked skydiving everytime and haven't ever desired coke ever since.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[LisaH 0]

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All the crap with rehabs and the 12-step program is exactly why I just curled up in bed for 3 weeks and kicked the habit myself. The programs made me feel like a piece of gutter trash. Then want to do drugs so I would feel better. It's a vicious cycle.

That was 16/17 years ago and I've never looked back.

Umm, wasn't there a recent thread about how much vodka and Jack you drink? (Not that it's any of my business, but now I'm curious about that.)

Anyhow, it seems that the 12-step programs work really well for some people, do nothing for other people, and may even be harmful for some others. I guess the important thing is for each individual to find out what works for them.

Yes, I drink. But I am no longer a drug addict.

The programs didn't work for me. But that was many years ago. The system may have changed since then.

I'm not putting them down. They've helped a lot of people.

Be yourself!
MooOOooOoo

[akarunway 1]

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All the crap with rehabs and the 12-step program is exactly why I just curled up in bed for 3 weeks and kicked the habit myself. The programs made me feel like a piece of gutter trash. Then want to do drugs so I would feel better. It's a vicious cycle.

That was 16/17 years ago and I've never looked back.

Umm, wasn't there a recent thread about how much vodka and Jack you drink? (Not that it's any of my business, but now I'm curious about that.)

Anyhow, it seems that the 12-step programs work really well for some people, do nothing for other people, and may even be harmful for some others. I guess the important thing is for each individual to find out what works for them.

Yes, I drink. But I am no longer a drug addict.

The programs didn't work for me. But that was many years ago. The system may have changed since then.

I'm not putting them down. They've helped a lot of people.

I agree. I still drink. After work AT HOME to wind down from the rat race. And I still smoke too! For all you non smokers.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[masterrig 1]

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All the crap with rehabs and the 12-step program is exactly why I just curled up in bed for 3 weeks and kicked the habit myself. The programs made me feel like a piece of gutter trash. Then want to do drugs so I would feel better. It's a vicious cycle.

That was 16/17 years ago and I've never looked back.

Umm, wasn't there a recent thread about how much vodka and Jack you drink? (Not that it's any of my business, but now I'm curious about that.)

Anyhow, it seems that the 12-step programs work really well for some people, do nothing for other people, and may even be harmful for some others. I guess the important thing is for each individual to find out what works for them.

Years ago, I tried a 12-step program to quit booze. Their meeting place was next door to a beer joint! During the meetings, everyone chain-smoked and talked about booze. By the end of my first meeting, I wanted to run next door! I got off the booze on my own and quit smoking at the same time.


Chuck