BillPaine 0 #1 May 12, 2006 I've recently taken delivery of a brand new ZP canopy (Saphire II). I know how to pack but I'm buggered if I can get the canopy in the bag without it turning into a dog's breakfast. If I press too hard, it squeezes out in all directions. If I don't press hard enough, it start to inflate with air. Most people seem to say it's simply a matter of practice but I wouldn't mind hearing from anyone who knows any handy tricks to get the beast into the bag."We have met the enemy...and he is us." Pogo www.mondo-fiasco.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #2 May 12, 2006 This question seems to get posted almost weekly. Use the search function with "packing ZP" and I'll be you come up with a bunch of threads on this. "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #3 May 12, 2006 No, Its just a matter of search. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #4 May 12, 2006 Go with Icarus recommended method for packing that very canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #5 May 12, 2006 Easy to say! Have you tried a brand new canopy to roll??? Its a silicon slime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #6 May 12, 2006 As a proud owner of a brand new canopy, I can safely say that, unless I use psychopack, I can't otherwise get it in the bag and looking decent in any reasonable amount of time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #7 May 12, 2006 Notice: I'm not against psychopack(psychobag), I just didn't find it easier. Thats all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #8 May 12, 2006 It's all about practice. I can't psycho pack for crap, never wanted to. But I can make the neatest S folds you've ever seen, even if its straight from the factory floor. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bofh 0 #9 May 12, 2006 I was quite surprised how easy my new canopy was to get in the bag. Its amazing how easy it is when psychopacking. My only problem is that during the "rolling" (actually folding), the fabric around the lines tend to spread out a bit. I assume I must put more fabric in the sides and thus after each fold I put more tension on the sides compared to the middle and thus spreading the fabric, but I don't know what to do about it, except fixing it after each roll... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillPaine 0 #10 May 12, 2006 Ok. Let's change track here. Is Psycho Packing considered less safe then Pro Packing (ie: more prone to malfunctions or deployment problems)? Keep in mind I'm a novice here and still learning!!"We have met the enemy...and he is us." Pogo www.mondo-fiasco.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katzurki 0 #11 May 12, 2006 It requires a little more attention and is easier to screw up. You can end up with linetwists if you forget to remove, or worse yet you double, the intentional twist; you can end up with a burn mark if you don't have the bridle extension and leave the bridle attachment point buried deep in fabric—that sort of stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #12 May 12, 2006 That's BS. Packing is a skydiving religion. You should practice, spread and have faith in. There are plenty of ways, but you have to find yours. Here is mine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ROK 0 #13 May 12, 2006 QuoteThat's BS. Packing is a skydiving religion. You should practice, spread and have faith in. There are plenty of ways, but you have to find yours. Here is mine Question... I see that you have your slider over your shoulder while you are flaking your canopy. The lines are spread up to your shoulder. When I pack, I was taught to leave the slider down and hold the lines together above it, which makes it a little difficult to see. Is this just a preference for some people? I have a Tri 190 and it about kicks my ass every time I pack it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #14 May 12, 2006 That's wierd lol... It's hard to see what's going on if the slider is in the way. I hold mine under my chin so I can see everything; I never liked putting it on my shoulder since, esp with new canopies, it would squirm around.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #15 May 12, 2006 You jump the same canopy as me...I use the two-shoulder method for pro packing. Always have and always will because it works for me. Left lines over left shoulder, right over right. Everything is divided (L/R) and easy to pick out the lines for flaking and center cell for wrapping. Never had a hard opening, never had a mal on 500 jumps with this canopy and method. Well, except once when I forgot to pull out the nose of the slider...Oooops. I use this method to teach the newbies...it helps them more easily see and understand what is going on. Then I show them a one-shoulder method to help speed things up a bit. Packing new ZP is tough...that's just the way it is and you have to live with it...even psycho packing it is tough compared to a broken-in canopy. Believe it or not, you can control the new ZP...it just takes practice.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ROK 0 #16 May 12, 2006 QuoteYou jump the same canopy as me...I use the two-shoulder method for pro packing. Always have and always will because it works for me. Left lines over left shoulder, right over right. Everything is divided (L/R) and easy to pick out the lines for flaking and center cell for wrapping. Never had a hard opening, never had a mal on 500 jumps with this canopy and method. Well, except once when I forgot to pull out the nose of the slider...Oooops. I use this method to teach the newbies...it helps them more easily see and understand what is going on. Then I show them a one-shoulder method to help speed things up a bit. Packing new ZP is tough...that's just the way it is and you have to live with it...even psycho packing it is tough compared to a broken-in canopy. Believe it or not, you can control the new ZP...it just takes practice. Thanks! I'll try the over both shoulders technique... Where is your slider when your flaking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #17 May 12, 2006 over my shoulder, out of the way. edited at 10:46 Eastern Well, really over my head on my shouldersMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #18 May 13, 2006 Yep, Its harder to pack if you can not see..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #19 May 13, 2006 Quote You jump the same canopy as me...I use the two-shoulder method for pro packing. Always have and always will because it works for me. I have to use it, because thats to official way of teaching student to pack. I don't like it: it's a pain to get in, getting out and during flaking the nose too. One should is enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #20 May 15, 2006 QuoteNever had a hard opening, never had a mal on 500 jumps with this canopy and method. Just a minor quibble, but 500 jumps isn't statistically significant when reserve rides are occurring every 800-1000 jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pablito 0 #21 May 15, 2006 Go to your Dropzone and ask a packer to teach you how to pack, Pay him/her 20 bocks and they will spend the time to teach you. Its not hard but its about control. Cielos Azules "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillPaine 0 #22 May 15, 2006 I have been taught to pack. I can pack a broken-in canopy (or F111) no problem. It's just the getting-the-bastard-in-the-bag bit. Practise will eventually make perfect."We have met the enemy...and he is us." Pogo www.mondo-fiasco.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyblu3 0 #23 May 17, 2006 Start your S-Folds from the top down. Meaning- Grab the top of the canopy and S-Fold it towards you at this point you should have about half the canopy S-folded. Bag this part of the canopy. Once the canopy is in the bag neatly S-Fold the rest of the canopy down the center of the canopy that's already in the bag. Make sense!! Probably not, but it's the easiest way to bag a new zp canopy. Also, don't kneel on the canopy when you are trying to control it this will make it slide all over the place. Instead use your legs to put pressure to control your packjob. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
phoenixlpr 0 #7 May 12, 2006 Notice: I'm not against psychopack(psychobag), I just didn't find it easier. Thats all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #8 May 12, 2006 It's all about practice. I can't psycho pack for crap, never wanted to. But I can make the neatest S folds you've ever seen, even if its straight from the factory floor. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bofh 0 #9 May 12, 2006 I was quite surprised how easy my new canopy was to get in the bag. Its amazing how easy it is when psychopacking. My only problem is that during the "rolling" (actually folding), the fabric around the lines tend to spread out a bit. I assume I must put more fabric in the sides and thus after each fold I put more tension on the sides compared to the middle and thus spreading the fabric, but I don't know what to do about it, except fixing it after each roll... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillPaine 0 #10 May 12, 2006 Ok. Let's change track here. Is Psycho Packing considered less safe then Pro Packing (ie: more prone to malfunctions or deployment problems)? Keep in mind I'm a novice here and still learning!!"We have met the enemy...and he is us." Pogo www.mondo-fiasco.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #11 May 12, 2006 It requires a little more attention and is easier to screw up. You can end up with linetwists if you forget to remove, or worse yet you double, the intentional twist; you can end up with a burn mark if you don't have the bridle extension and leave the bridle attachment point buried deep in fabric—that sort of stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #12 May 12, 2006 That's BS. Packing is a skydiving religion. You should practice, spread and have faith in. There are plenty of ways, but you have to find yours. Here is mine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROK 0 #13 May 12, 2006 QuoteThat's BS. Packing is a skydiving religion. You should practice, spread and have faith in. There are plenty of ways, but you have to find yours. Here is mine Question... I see that you have your slider over your shoulder while you are flaking your canopy. The lines are spread up to your shoulder. When I pack, I was taught to leave the slider down and hold the lines together above it, which makes it a little difficult to see. Is this just a preference for some people? I have a Tri 190 and it about kicks my ass every time I pack it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #14 May 12, 2006 That's wierd lol... It's hard to see what's going on if the slider is in the way. I hold mine under my chin so I can see everything; I never liked putting it on my shoulder since, esp with new canopies, it would squirm around.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 May 12, 2006 You jump the same canopy as me...I use the two-shoulder method for pro packing. Always have and always will because it works for me. Left lines over left shoulder, right over right. Everything is divided (L/R) and easy to pick out the lines for flaking and center cell for wrapping. Never had a hard opening, never had a mal on 500 jumps with this canopy and method. Well, except once when I forgot to pull out the nose of the slider...Oooops. I use this method to teach the newbies...it helps them more easily see and understand what is going on. Then I show them a one-shoulder method to help speed things up a bit. Packing new ZP is tough...that's just the way it is and you have to live with it...even psycho packing it is tough compared to a broken-in canopy. Believe it or not, you can control the new ZP...it just takes practice.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROK 0 #16 May 12, 2006 QuoteYou jump the same canopy as me...I use the two-shoulder method for pro packing. Always have and always will because it works for me. Left lines over left shoulder, right over right. Everything is divided (L/R) and easy to pick out the lines for flaking and center cell for wrapping. Never had a hard opening, never had a mal on 500 jumps with this canopy and method. Well, except once when I forgot to pull out the nose of the slider...Oooops. I use this method to teach the newbies...it helps them more easily see and understand what is going on. Then I show them a one-shoulder method to help speed things up a bit. Packing new ZP is tough...that's just the way it is and you have to live with it...even psycho packing it is tough compared to a broken-in canopy. Believe it or not, you can control the new ZP...it just takes practice. Thanks! I'll try the over both shoulders technique... Where is your slider when your flaking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #17 May 12, 2006 over my shoulder, out of the way. edited at 10:46 Eastern Well, really over my head on my shouldersMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #18 May 13, 2006 Yep, Its harder to pack if you can not see..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #19 May 13, 2006 Quote You jump the same canopy as me...I use the two-shoulder method for pro packing. Always have and always will because it works for me. I have to use it, because thats to official way of teaching student to pack. I don't like it: it's a pain to get in, getting out and during flaking the nose too. One should is enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #20 May 15, 2006 QuoteNever had a hard opening, never had a mal on 500 jumps with this canopy and method. Just a minor quibble, but 500 jumps isn't statistically significant when reserve rides are occurring every 800-1000 jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #21 May 15, 2006 Go to your Dropzone and ask a packer to teach you how to pack, Pay him/her 20 bocks and they will spend the time to teach you. Its not hard but its about control. Cielos Azules "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillPaine 0 #22 May 15, 2006 I have been taught to pack. I can pack a broken-in canopy (or F111) no problem. It's just the getting-the-bastard-in-the-bag bit. Practise will eventually make perfect."We have met the enemy...and he is us." Pogo www.mondo-fiasco.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyblu3 0 #23 May 17, 2006 Start your S-Folds from the top down. Meaning- Grab the top of the canopy and S-Fold it towards you at this point you should have about half the canopy S-folded. Bag this part of the canopy. Once the canopy is in the bag neatly S-Fold the rest of the canopy down the center of the canopy that's already in the bag. Make sense!! Probably not, but it's the easiest way to bag a new zp canopy. Also, don't kneel on the canopy when you are trying to control it this will make it slide all over the place. Instead use your legs to put pressure to control your packjob. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
