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Holy s*** dude!
Using my custom fitted Mirage G4, I can get out of the rig via the shoulders as in the video posted above, as well as if I fold in half and slip out the ass area of the rig (This might happen if you leg straps slid to your knees during a sit, then you had opening shock). All this as stated, can be done from a fully tightened, custom fit (for me) rig.
If anyone is interested, I can probably work up a quick video. It's really not that difficult. Add a 120mph wind and a few G's of a canopy deploying and it would happen in a second.
*As an observation to the video posted...It looks like the neck area on that rig is very wide, maybe built for someone with very broad shoulders? Nonetheless, mine is not at all wide, and I can get out.
If anyone is interested, I can probably work up a quick video. It's really not that difficult. Add a 120mph wind and a few G's of a canopy deploying and it would happen in a second.
*As an observation to the video posted...It looks like the neck area on that rig is very wide, maybe built for someone with very broad shoulders? Nonetheless, mine is not at all wide, and I can get out.
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JohnMitchell 16
More than one person has almost fallen out of a correctly sized and adjusted rig not equipped with a strap between the 2 leg straps. I know a lot of people swear it's impossible, but it's not.
Just for clarification
From the article… Can you fall out of a properly fastened harness? by Jan Meyer
“Little bungy cross connector between leg straps
That bungy and binding tape can easily break during a premature opening if you were in a sitfly position. The fact that jumpers have these is indicative that we are already noticing that we are falling out of our rigs.“
It's my understanding that the bungy keeps the leg straps from sliding down to your knees. Thus, not putting you into a situation where the harness can slide off if you get a premature deployment in a sitfly position?? Are these modifications/bungys effective or are they giving us a false sense of security?
From the article… Can you fall out of a properly fastened harness? by Jan Meyer
“Little bungy cross connector between leg straps
That bungy and binding tape can easily break during a premature opening if you were in a sitfly position. The fact that jumpers have these is indicative that we are already noticing that we are falling out of our rigs.“
It's my understanding that the bungy keeps the leg straps from sliding down to your knees. Thus, not putting you into a situation where the harness can slide off if you get a premature deployment in a sitfly position?? Are these modifications/bungys effective or are they giving us a false sense of security?
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Here's a dry run on the ground
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5979072227420503131#
See also
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6075652443880467365#
Interesting video but CLEARLY that is not a properly fitting harness. The shoulders are FAR too wide and the back of the yoke hangs half way down his back.
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Not to mention that there's no main in the tray allowing additional flexibility. I'm gonna try to upload something with a fully packed rig, and I'll record both scenarios.
The yoke I pointed out earlier....that cannot be a custom rig.
Odd though, mine is also a Mirage. I wonder if the articulation plays a role. Mine is fully articulated, can anyone do this on a non articulated rig, or more specifically a Mirage?
The yoke I pointed out earlier....that cannot be a custom rig.
Odd though, mine is also a Mirage. I wonder if the articulation plays a role. Mine is fully articulated, can anyone do this on a non articulated rig, or more specifically a Mirage?
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QuoteJust for clarification
From the article… Can you fall out of a properly fastened harness? by Jan Meyer
“Little bungy cross connector between leg straps
That bungy and binding tape can easily break during a premature opening if you were in a sitfly position. The fact that jumpers have these is indicative that we are already noticing that we are falling out of our rigs.“
It's my understanding that the bungy keeps the leg straps from sliding down to your knees. Thus, not putting you into a situation where the harness can slide off if you get a premature deployment in a sitfly position?? Are these modifications/bungys effective or are they giving us a false sense of security?
I think they are a false sense of security. If someone has a main premee in a sitfly position the little bungy thing will most likely break or pull through the binding tape keeper and allow the leg straps to move to the knees.
The knots on most of the bungy things are small enough to pull through the binding tape keeper.
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Here's a dry run on the ground
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5979072227420503131#
See also
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6075652443880467365#
Interesting video but CLEARLY that is not a properly fitting harness. The shoulders are FAR too wide and the back of the yoke hangs half way down his back.
Well the 3 rings are positioned properly. The yoke 'cut' is different on different rigs.
Reflex has a high yoke, so high in fact helmets brush against the earlier models.
Racers have a low yoke, compared to others.
That was a Mirage.
People do buy used rigs that may not fit exactly as on the one it was built for.
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QuoteNot to mention that there's no main in the tray allowing additional flexibility. I'm gonna try to upload something with a fully packed rig, and I'll record both scenarios.
The yoke I pointed out earlier....that cannot be a custom rig.
Odd though, mine is also a Mirage. I wonder if the articulation plays a role. Mine is fully articulated, can anyone do this on a non articulated rig, or more specifically a Mirage?
I was able to get out of my fully packed Racer that was custom built for me.
The grippers on my jumpsuit provided some resistance, but I could move the harness without extending any straps and get out the back.
Once I put on the extra strap - no more fall out. I tried this on the ground if that was not obvious.
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JohnMitchell 16
I think they help, but like Jan said, a hard enough opening and that little bungie will fail. It's funny that our rigs require those add ons now to make them stay where they should. I'm thinking of adding a saddle strap and a clip on belly band.QuoteAre these modifications/bungys effective or are they giving us a false sense of security?
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anyone that thinks that bungee strap is for holding you in your rig needs to fall out of it because they are morons! That is not what it is there for! NOt directly.
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I just tried this with my rig. I was unable to "fall out head down" with a properly routed chest strap, but even with my bungy connected by a single line and knots as it was set, I was able to fall out in a sit fly position.
I looped the bungy so that it was tighter and in a continuous circle through the connectors and was unable to get myself out of my harness.
Perhaps that is a better option than the single line connector as it eliminates the possibilty of the bungy knots pulling through in the event of a premature opening. Also, wouldn't the continuous loop provide for a higher breaking strength?
I looped the bungy so that it was tighter and in a continuous circle through the connectors and was unable to get myself out of my harness.
Perhaps that is a better option than the single line connector as it eliminates the possibilty of the bungy knots pulling through in the event of a premature opening. Also, wouldn't the continuous loop provide for a higher breaking strength?
There is an art, or rather a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss. Pick a nice day, and try it. - Douglas Adams
I don't know about how others feel but falling out of a harness is on the top of my list of gear check because it can happen so easily--> cheststrap, cheststrap, cheststrap!
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