CesspoolDave 0 #1 June 22, 2006 I've got about 260 jumps, and I plan on getting to 400 by January... I mostly freefly, and I've got a Stiletto 150 I'm planning on putting in the container with a PD160R. Does anyone have any advice on which container they prefer? I know there are personnal preferences, but has anyone heard of any reason not to choose one? From what I know, they're comparable containers. I just got back from Z'hills and took a tour of Sunpath and was amazed. They make everything from scratch. Even the reserve handles... I couldn't believe it but there is actually a guy that cuts, bends, sets, polishes, contstructs the pin and cable right there at the factory, each one is unique to every rig. They even punch the TSO and the number right there on site... (I know I wasn't the only one that thought all those things were built by some component manufacturer in a sweat shop in Thailand or something...) Javelin builds EVERYTHING from scratch, it was amazing. That sort of detail has me leaning STRONGLY toward them... I also like the fact that Javelin's come standard with Stainless hard ware... it's not a $265 option... any idea about Mirage??? Thanks everyone for your honest feedback... I'm on the fence... Cesspool"I have no fear of falling, but I hate hitting the ground" -The Badlees Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #2 June 22, 2006 You should have asked Paul why he will only jump a Jav while at the bar in Z-hills. He makes some compelling points.Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #3 June 22, 2006 I love my Javelins. An option that isn't available on the Mirage is the spacer foam backpad. I have it on both of my rigs and I think that's one of the best features. Well worth it, IMO. Mirages are good rigs but I'm a little skeptical about the AAD cutter on the top of the reserve. Seems to me that it's something that the reserve has to go past on the way out the container. Anyway, just my opinion.Blues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #4 June 22, 2006 I thought sunpath uses Parachutes de france buckles on thier odyssey harness legstraps? i'm positive they do, but maybe my memory fails me?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 June 22, 2006 QuoteAn option that isn't available on the Mirage is the spacer foam backpad. That's because the G4 already has a padded packpad. QuoteMirages are good rigs but I'm a little skeptical about the AAD cutter on the top of the reserve. On the other hand a loop cut at the bottom now has to thread through flaps and grommets giving the potential for a container lock. One of the reasons Mirage moved it. And for bragging rights sake....go with an Infinity!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #6 June 22, 2006 QuoteThey make everything from scratch. So do most manufacturers. Sunpath buys hardware and materials from the same suppliers that most of the industry does.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #7 June 22, 2006 To quote myself from another thread QuoteI do love my mirage - I got it last year. The only problem I have is that when transitioning to HD, one shoulder slips off. then I'm flying with a crooked rig. The yolk can be tight enough to not let this happen if I have the chest strap tightened so the laterals are with in 3 inches of eachother. Then the laterals & chest rings are right on top of )& very painfully so) my breasts. Mirages response. If you're jumping something as big as a 135 (my M1 container meant to fit a 120 - 135, though I squish a 150 in), our design assumes you are a bigger person w/ broader shoulders. When discussing this with them I brought up how I have a tiny 100# 5ft tall friend that just started jumping. She's on a 150 & would literally fall out of the rig, if she stood on her head you could pull it right over her shoulders no matter how tight the chest strap was pulled. They said, yup, that could happen. But we can't tell people to jump smaller rigs. Also, another issue is that when I do decide to chinch the chest strap down that tightly, it is VERY difficult to loosen under canopy. my last jump of the season, my fingers were so cold I couldn't do it I even tried after taking my gloves off. Lets just say it was a very uncomfortable ride down!! Having your risers literally infront of your face is no fun at all!! Apparently all the webbing fits fine, just the yoke is too wide. And since I didn't start HD till about 8 months after getting the rig, I didn't notice the issue - and so it can not be fixed with out buying a whole new rig (which would probably need to fit an even smaller main/reserve combo - which I am not ready for). Sorry for the rant, it's something I've needed to get off my chest () for a while now. edited to add: That Justin (the Mirage rep at the time) measured me. And I have had extensive conversations w/ Ward - nothing. But it is a very comfortable rig anyother time. There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CesspoolDave 0 #8 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteAn option that isn't available on the Mirage is the spacer foam backpad. That's because the G4 already has a padded packpad. QuoteMirages are good rigs but I'm a little skeptical about the AAD cutter on the top of the reserve. On the other hand a loop cut at the bottom now has to thread through flaps and grommets giving the potential for a container lock. One of the reasons Mirage moved it. And for bragging rights sake....go with an Infinity! Why infinity over a Javelin or Mirage?"I have no fear of falling, but I hate hitting the ground" -The Badlees Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #9 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteAn option that isn't available on the Mirage is the spacer foam backpad. That's because the G4 already has a padded packpad. QuoteMirages are good rigs but I'm a little skeptical about the AAD cutter on the top of the reserve. On the other hand a loop cut at the bottom now has to thread through flaps and grommets giving the potential for a container lock. One of the reasons Mirage moved it. And for bragging rights sake....go with an Infinity! Why infinity over a Javelin or Mirage? Why not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #10 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd for bragging rights sake....go with an Infinity! Why infinity over a Javelin or Mirage? Why not? C'mon, that's not a useful answer. JP is a regular advocate of Infinity containers, and I'd love to see him step up and say why he likes them so much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #11 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd for bragging rights sake....go with an Infinity! Why infinity over a Javelin or Mirage? Why not? C'mon, that's not a useful answer. JP is a regular advocate of Infinity containers, and I'd love to see him step up and say why he likes them so much. I don't know if it's JP's reason, but with an infinity you can chose whatever reserve size you want (with-in reason) it's not dependant on main size. IE you can have a tiny main 97 & still have a 135 reserve (a friend has this exact set up on his infinity). With most other mfg if you have a 97 main you can't have much over a 110 reserve (not specific, just general). There's the arguement for & against sizing discrepencies - that's not the point, options are. There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #12 June 23, 2006 QuoteThere's the arguement for & against sizing discrepencies - that's not the point, options are. Sometimes providing options to skydivers can be a bad thing. They might tend to pick options based on appearance, fad or style. Why would someone jump a 135 day in and day out and then when things turn to shit, and they may be injured or unconscious revert to 97 sq. ft. 7 cell canopy made of F-111 that they have jumped maybe 2 or 3 times? Naa, they wouldn't do that because the rig looks "cool", would they?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 June 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd for bragging rights sake....go with an Infinity! Why infinity over a Javelin or Mirage? Why not? C'mon, that's not a useful answer. JP is a regular advocate of Infinity containers, and I'd love to see him step up and say why he likes them so much. My reasons for prefering Infinities to many rigs are as follows. Price Customer care Style - Clean lines Functionality Secondary riser covers that are designed right. Primary riser covers that work properly. Comfort. BY FAR the 4 3 infinities I've owned are more comfortable than any other rig I've owned. that's a start.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytash 0 #14 June 25, 2006 just being devil's advocate here - isn't comfort a personal thing? I depends on the extent to which the 'standard' of a container matches to your body shape and flying style. A friend of mine had two custom built rigs from two different manufacturers, and found one more comfortable than the other. The other was sold and now they have a custom built rig from a third manufacturer which is comfortable. I would not ascribe the discomfort of one of the rigs as being a reason for me not to buy a rig from them, as we have different body shapes and flying styles and what is uncomfortable for one person could well be comfortable to another. The new owner of the 'uncomfortable' rig loves it and considers it comfortable, although it wasn't even custom made for them! tashDon't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #15 June 26, 2006 QuoteFunctionality Could you expand on this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
