Did you have any trouble with the authorities in Dublin?

[selbbub78 0]

Spence,

just saw your posting. We left the airport for dinner after watching the cops making people open beer and dump them out. We had heard rumors that the police were baracading in, so we left ASAP! When we came back, there were no police around, no issues getting back to the airport, and no one on the grounds.

I'd definitely try to come to support the boogie again. I'll try to come whereever, depending on what airfare is to the said boogie.

CReW Skies,
bubbles

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[goofyjumper 0]

Spence, I would go back in a heart beat. I don't think the police handled it too well. But it was their fist time dealing with something like this.

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[popsjumper 2]

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...But it was their fist time dealing with something like this.

I agree (even though you said "fist"). Not really too awfully bad for a first-time response. It could have been much, much worse.

So, help them learn from it for the future instead of attacking them for the past. A little spilled beer is not too much of a price to pay if they learn and get better at responding.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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the local police were over loaded with attitude from a few folks but handled themselves well considering what had just occurred.

I was all over during all this, I was on a little motorcycle.

the only "attitude" I saw was from the police.

that was expected though.

although I did sit there and talk to this cop when he got an attitude, I told him to chill out we are all friends here, then I took a sip of my beer and scooted off... nobody made me pour it out, and I was drinking it right in front of him while he was expessing his "athoritI"..

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As a local whose husband is on the CITY police force (not the force who did the investigations) and a skydiver I have to say I believe the Sheriff's office and GSP were overwhelmed.

I believe it was because when there is a death they are taught to look for a suspect. Unfortunately, that is not the case here so they had no idea what to do. They locked us all down in the FBO and asked standard questions (address, height, weight, etc) because they had no idea what information they needed. They were not sure if they had everyone who was involved so they came across a bit gruff; however, I know some of the guys personally and they are not really that way unless it is necessary. They simply wanted to make sure it was an accident....wouldn't you want them to do that if it were you who had died?

I drank a beer and carried one to the FBO and finished it. One of the guys politely asked me to finish it quickly and hide the bottle. Neither of us got attitudes. The problem with the beer was if they found out it was intentional then they would have wanted to do blood alcohol tests.

As for lockdown and being forced to pour alcohol out. It could have been a case of public drunkenness which even in rural GA is not allowed. It could have been a case of an officer not knowing what to do so he tries to protect in any possible way. It could have been two attitudes...only you who had a problem can answer that. Those that chose to leave the airport after drinking, well, if you were drinking and driving it was wrong. Yes, I had someone drive me home because I knew I had drank. Rather than try to get out of taking the responsibility if you got a DUI some people are wanting to fuss because they screwed up and broke a law then got caught. If you can't do the time....don't do the crime.

That leads to drugs. DRUGS are illegial. Yes, I know for a fact many of you come to a boogie just to hang out and get high with your friends. Fine, but don't expect those in authority to ignore it when you KNOW it is against the law. Skydivers are still not above the law anywhere. If you have a problem with following the laws of the host town...STAY HOME or be prepared to have them harass you next year.

This is my town. I grew up here. Yeah, there are things about Dublin that drive me crazy, but it is still where I live, work, raise children, and enjoy my passion once a year at the Dublin Boogie. I like to think the idea came from our many conversations and when I could I worked hard with you to ensure it's success.

All that said....Yes, I want you to come back, but with rules. I want those rules enforced. I want the local officials to understand what we do so that they can better respond to incidents. I want my town and my skydiving friends to enjoy skydiving here in a safe environment.

Lisa

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[BillyVance 34]

I nominate Mouth's post as BEST POST of the thread.

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Billy,

That is not the point. Please look at what I'm saying. (I'd shout but ya can't hear so I'll point them out again in short form for you ADHD people.)

Honestly, education on the part of the response team would have most likely helped tons. I guess that is something that should be looked at. I believe Sheriff Harrell would be willing to work with us on that. GSP...who knows.

Also, if the skydivers (you know who you are) whould show Spence and the local area and laws some respect it would go a long way. Understand that actions have consequences for everyone.

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[stitch 0]

Directly?? No.

Indirectly?? I was stopped by some people I didn't know and was told I had to pour out my unopened alcoholic beverages. And that we were on lock-down and couldn't leave the airport.

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That is a big problem. You were not told by an official. They may have made someone pour out beer if they felt they were already intoxicated or driving so they may not have said anything to you.

Remember that speculation and assuming cause a lot of our problems. The "I heard" or "he said" is just someone talking. I could say the sky is purple but would that make it true?

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[peanut4040 0]

That's unnacceptable to me. When they started being pricks and told everyone to "move along" we just left and went to a hotel and never came back for, what was supposed to me, the band/food/events night. Fuck it.

I have been first hand witness to more fatalities than I can count on two hands and I haven't ever seen such a harsh response by the authorities in regards to the paying participants of an event. I was fucking pissed. Me not being able to stand around and have a coctail with some grieving friends at a boogie I had payed admittance to and one where I had friends who had payed to stay on the property was pure BS.

I will also never bring my golf cart back to a southern boogie away from home again for the reasons you listed.
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[namgrunt 0]

I have to say I believe the Sheriff's office and GSP were overwhelmed.

because they had no idea what information they needed. They simply wanted to make sure it was an accident....wouldn't you want them to do that if it were you who had died?



Those that chose to leave the airport after drinking, well, if you were drinking and driving it was wrong.
Rather than try to get out of taking the responsibility if you got a DUI some people are wanting to fuss because they screwed up and broke a law then got caught. If you can't do the time....don't do the crime.

. DRUGS are illegial. Yes, I know for a fact many of you come to a boogie just to hang out and get high with your friends. Fine, but don't expect those in authority to ignore it when you KNOW Skydivers are still not above the law anywhere. If you have a problem with following the laws of the host town...STAY HOME or be prepared to have them harass you next year.


ON A SIDE NOTE

A GSP officer was standing at the scene of the 2 injured jumpers watching..and wen I asked him to help cut off the left side of Bob's jumpsuit he readily helped, not often you see a trooper actually helping someone that is injured at a scene as they are usually very buisy with vehicles and traffic this troopen WANTED to help

local police WERE overwelmed with what had occured and had no clear cut idea of what to do ..so they reverted to there comfort zone of OPEN BEER AND SUCH

lets give then a break
lets give US a break
lets not make the same mistake again
lets be safe up there

you want to drink..ok
drink and drive..you pay
use drugs in the open..you pay
ignor landing patterns..you and someone else pays


SPENCE we support you and will come back


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59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT
LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI)
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[wildcard451 0]

On another note, one thing that sticks out in my mind, was the EMS response.

On the earlier low turn injury of that day (way down at the end of the runway) I'm pretty sure that I saw a paramedic when they got out and took him to the hospital.

I can't remember exactly who came out of the ambulances for the fatality, but I remember being shocked.
I was asking for intubation equipment and was stared at blankly, and had to eventually search it myself. There was NO positive control of the scene taken by the EMS personel, and it still remained "slightly" chaotic until we were enroute.

I'm not trying to belittle the response, but hopefully we can take this as a training tool for the department. The scene was a mess, but that's what EMS is trained to deal with. Positive scene control and appropriate medical intervention at that time. It seemed most people were content to sit and keep working instead of getting loaded and getting enroute to more definitive medical treatment.

Just thoughts and suggestions from my memory, 4.5 months out.....I don't remember it all with total clarity.

1) Take this as a training tool to the departments
2) If we are going to have crews stationed at the event, we need ALS crews since as we all know, when injuries happen in this sport they are either very minor or very bad, and not too much inbetween.

I hope to see this event back next year. I've been twice now and hope to make it back again.

If I have spoken incorrectly in my observations please, by all means someone correct me

[waltappel 1]

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I can't remember exactly who came out of the ambulances for the fatality, but I remember being shocked.

I believe it was a uniformed EMT but I wouldn't swear to it.

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I was asking for intubation equipment and was stared at blankly, and had to eventually search it myself. There was NO positive control of the scene taken by the EMS personel, and it still remained "slightly" chaotic until we were enroute.

I think you'd have to call it two scenes. At Bob's scene I do remember one of the first responders (paramedic-in-training (I think)) having to go to the ambulance to get stuff. Thankfully, he knew exactly what he needed and where to look).

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I'm not trying to belittle the response, but hopefully we can take this as a training tool for the department. The scene was a mess, but that's what EMS is trained to deal with. Positive scene control and appropriate medical intervention at that time. It seemed most people were content to sit and keep working instead of getting loaded and getting enroute to more definitive medical treatment.

You were dealing with both scenes so I'm sure you have a better overview, but Bob had an EMT (skydiver), former LVN, former Army medic, and paramedic (I think)-in-training working on him. The EMT communicated with the ambulance guy and the paramedic-in-training went to the ambulance to get some stuff. I think the ambulance guy consciously chose to not disrupt what was going on with Bob because it was somewhat under control The idea was to get him intubated before transport. As soon as the backboard (or whatever it was we put him on) was there, we stopped CPR and put him in the ambulance. There may have been some delay in getting the backboard there. I don't remember that part clearly.

It did seem that if the ambulance guys chose to take a support role until Bob and Danny were ready for transport, that they could have done a better job anticipating what would be needed at each scene.

One thing I think is worthy of mention. There were trained people there--including you--that were on the scene within seconds. It was chaotic for sure, but it was a group of first responders that most seriously-injured people would be very lucky to have at the scene within seconds.

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1) Take this as a training tool to the departments
2) If we are going to have crews stationed at the event, we need ALS crews since as we all know, when injuries happen in this sport they are either very minor or very bad, and not too much inbetween.

Agreed on the training and the need for ALS crews.

Maybe what is needed is some sort of training for first-responders at DZs that is specific to procedures to be followed in cases of serious skydiving injuries.

ALS crews would not have made the difference in this case but it would have been a very good thing having them there.

[bch7773 0]

My group left maybe 1 hour after the incident, and no police hasseled us.

We didn't come back at night however, because of phone calls telling us about the lockdown.

I'll tell you one thing though, don't bring back that same helicoptor pilot/crew. They were jackasses.

MB 3528, RB 1182

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I'll tell you one thing though, don't bring back that same helicoptor pilot/crew. They were jackasses.

Who were they?

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Nikki_Russell 0]

Ben and I actually did have a problem with the police. When we were on our way back from dinner, they pulled us over for "the license plate not being lit enough". This was retarded because both lights illuminating the plate were on and fully functioning. The fact that they were ridiculously rude to us from the start certainly didn't help either.

They proceeded to drill us with questions about drinking. If either of us had even had a single drink with dinner or if we had been acting drunk, then I would have understood. However, we told the officers (we had 3 of them going around the car with their flashlights and questioning us) that we had only had water with dinner (which was true). Ben even offered to take a breathalyzer, since the cops seemed to be so damn sure we were lying. They told us that wouldn't be necessary, but CONTINUED to question us more about whether we had been drinking, all the while being rude and condescending.

Yeah, I no longer think highly of the town of Dublin. They pulled us over for no reason, and then proceeded to keep us there and drill us with questions for no reason, all the while being total assholes.

[The_Don 0]

Bump.

I am NOT being loud.
I'm being enthusiastic!