ntrprnr 0 #1 August 1, 2006 Here's a thought... I have a PD 190 reserve... I've never flown it. (knock wood.) However, I'd like to, just to know what it's like. (I'm flying a Safire 2/229 currently. I read somewhere that PD will let you test reserves? Is that accurate? Obviously, I'm not going to pull my reserve upon deplying for the sake of testing it. I figure there's another way that I simply don't know about yet. Right? Any info appreciated, as always._______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #2 August 1, 2006 PD have a Reserve Demo Program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #3 August 1, 2006 QuoteHere's a thought... I have a PD 190 reserve... I've never flown it. (knock wood.) However, I'd like to, just to know what it's like. (I'm flying a Safire 2/229 currently. I read somewhere that PD will let you test reserves? Is that accurate? Obviously, I'm not going to pull my reserve upon deplying for the sake of testing it. I figure there's another way that I simply don't know about yet. Right? Any info appreciated, as always. attatch your deployment system to it, then use it as a main! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #4 August 1, 2006 Quoteattatch your deployment system to it, then use it as a main! ...because most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ntrprnr 0 #5 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteattatch your deployment system to it, then use it as a main! ...because most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies . For what it's worth, my packing is coming along. Slowly. If I started now, I could probably sew those bridle attachment points by... I dunno... November. _______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mark 107 #6 August 1, 2006 Quotebecause most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies I'll bet that with a little searching you could find an old d-bag and pilot chute someone would be willing to donate for the cause of science. The pilot chute needs to be attached to the d-bag, but the d-bag doesn't need to be attached to the canopy. You just have to be okay with losing if not exactly a freebag, at least no more than a cheapbag. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #7 August 1, 2006 I would not recommend that you expose your reserve to the possible hazards of deployment, landing and retrieval just to see how it flies. You would need at the very least a second rig with a current reserve canopy to pack it into which would put you on borrowed gear. (with modern gear I feel the “borrowed gear thing is bull shit but that’s another thread) As bob.dino said, PD has one of the best demo programs going and this would be the way to go. Did you know that PD does not make a 190 sq. ft. reserve? Do you think you might have a 193?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #8 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuotebecause most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies I'll bet that with a little searching you could find an old d-bag and pilot chute someone would be willing to donate for the cause of science. The pilot chute needs to be attached to the d-bag, but the d-bag doesn't need to be attached to the canopy. You just have to be okay with losing if not exactly a freebag, at least no more than a cheapbag. Y'know, I didn't even consider that approach. Thanks for the suggestion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cloudi 0 #9 August 1, 2006 Why are you guys making it seem more difficult than it really is? The reserve demo's are already set up as mains...PCA's & all! Dang ol' hecklers...sheesh!! Kim Watch as I attempt, with no slight of hand, to apply logic and reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #10 August 1, 2006 QuoteThe reserve demo's are already set up as mains...PCA's & all! Yeah, but since the answer was given in post #2, we've gotta amuse ourselves somehow . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #11 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe reserve demo's are already set up as mains...PCA's & all! Yeah, but since the answer was given in post #2, we've gotta amuse ourselves somehow . But as you know, many will keep shopping until they get the answer they are looking for.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,046 #12 August 1, 2006 >you could find an old d-bag and pilot chute someone would be willing to donate for the cause of science. I would also point out that it need not have a kill-line or intact internal bridle connection, since it will not be sticking around after opening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cloudi 0 #13 August 1, 2006 You would make for a great surfer in Daytona... They will ride anything, merely to "feel" like they are really doing something. Kim Watch as I attempt, with no slight of hand, to apply logic and reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggermick 7 #14 August 1, 2006 QuoteHere's a thought... I have a PD 190 reserve... I've never flown it. (knock wood.) However, I'd like to, just to know what it's like. (I'm flying a Safire 2/229 currently. I read somewhere that PD will let you test reserves? Is that accurate? Obviously, I'm not going to pull my reserve upon deplying for the sake of testing it. I figure there's another way that I simply don't know about yet. Right? Any info appreciated, as always. There are two kinds of skydivers: Those that have had a reserve ride and those that are going to. Wait your turn it will come, the more experience you acquire in the mean time will better equip you to handle your first reserve ride when it actually happens. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,357 #15 August 1, 2006 QuoteThose that have had a reserve ride and those that are going to. Yeah... you told me that shit 7 years ago. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LittleOne 0 #16 August 1, 2006 I remember lately seeing an email from Sky's the Limit (in PA, not far at all) stating that PD would be there for a weekend. Not sure which one but you can check it out. You can do a demo there. Good luck. It's a great feeling (I still haven't had a cutaway ). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brabzzz 0 #17 August 1, 2006 Just before a repacks due, Look-locate-cutaway-reserve-arch. That way you're not chopping it for the sake of jumping it. Or go straight for silver up high, so yuo still have a main should you happen to be the unluckiest person on earth... edit: Some of the manufacturers tour with reserves you can 'demo'. The PD/Vector guys were in Gap with a 3 canopy system so you could chop it too. I hear that thing's on tour this summer? --------------------------------------- Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club www.skydivebristoluni.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #18 August 1, 2006 QuoteI would also point out that it need not have a kill-line or intact internal bridle connection, since it will not be sticking around after opening. You could also go a step further and use an RDS - basicaly atach the bag to the slider. I saw that up here a few weeks ago. To get this back on track, the original poster should contact PD and arrange a demo. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggermick 7 #19 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteThose that have had a reserve ride and those that are going to. Yeah... you told me that shit 7 years ago. Took me awhile too. I had 1145 jumps before my Dragonfly went in to an unrecoverable spin and forced me to land my Kxx (20' round reserve) by a wood pile @ Perris. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #20 August 2, 2006 QuoteJust before a repacks due, Look-locate-cutaway-reserve-arch. That way you're not chopping it for the sake of jumping it. Or go straight for silver up high, so yuo still have a main should you happen to be the unluckiest person on earth... This suggestion is just plain stupid.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MB38 0 #21 August 2, 2006 QuoteJust before a repacks due, Look-locate-cutaway-reserve-arch. That way you're not chopping it for the sake of jumping it. Or go straight for silver up high, so yuo still have a main should you happen to be the unluckiest person on earth...I once read about somebody who decided to do this and went in under his malfunctioning reserve. This was in a thread on these forums... so I can't tell you if it was the truth or not. Reserves fail. Do not intentionally cutaway a good canopy from a 2-parachute system. At the very least, you're decreasing the life of your reserve. At the other end of the spectrum, you're committing suicide. I can't believe you would honestly recommend this to anybody.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #22 August 2, 2006 I don't know if they still do it, but "back in the day" when PD used to do the "PD Tour" they would have reserves hooked up on main risers that you could put into a rig... theirs or yours... as the "main" and go jump it. I'm not sure if this is still included as part of PDs demo program or not? Might be worth a call and asking them?? oops... someone up-post already said basically that... Thing about PD doing this that I can't remember how it workes was (is) none of their reserves has a main bridle/bag attach point... they must add one for their demo reserves... becaue it wasn't "free bagged", although that would work. --- break --- break ---- QuoteQuoteJust before a repacks due, Look-locate-cutaway-reserve-arch. That way you're not chopping it for the sake of jumping it. Or go straight for silver up high, so yuo still have a main should you happen to be the unluckiest person on earth... This suggestion is just plain stupid. Ditto! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #23 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteattatch your deployment system to it, then use it as a main! ...because most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies . I would swear mine has one.... could be wrong... check your reserve next time you have it packed, and Pm me and let me know if you have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites doorgirl 0 #24 August 2, 2006 Yup, I demoed the 193 from PD. Kim was very helpful and it was worth the $$ to me for the single jump. I'm analytical, and I like to remove all the questions I can since there will always be more. I'm glad that I know how it flies and I'm much more confident that I'll be able to handle the situation should I end up in a situation where I don't have much time to acquaint myself with the canopy. And with reserves as big as ours, I think the only way to demo is directly through the PD factory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #25 August 2, 2006 QuoteI would swear mine has one.... could be wrong... check your reserve next time you have it packed, and Pm me and let me know if you have one. Precision Aerodynamics, Ravens in particular is the only company that I know of that has bridle attachments on their reserves. My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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bob.dino 1 #4 August 1, 2006 Quoteattatch your deployment system to it, then use it as a main! ...because most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #5 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteattatch your deployment system to it, then use it as a main! ...because most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies . For what it's worth, my packing is coming along. Slowly. If I started now, I could probably sew those bridle attachment points by... I dunno... November. _______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #6 August 1, 2006 Quotebecause most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies I'll bet that with a little searching you could find an old d-bag and pilot chute someone would be willing to donate for the cause of science. The pilot chute needs to be attached to the d-bag, but the d-bag doesn't need to be attached to the canopy. You just have to be okay with losing if not exactly a freebag, at least no more than a cheapbag. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #7 August 1, 2006 I would not recommend that you expose your reserve to the possible hazards of deployment, landing and retrieval just to see how it flies. You would need at the very least a second rig with a current reserve canopy to pack it into which would put you on borrowed gear. (with modern gear I feel the “borrowed gear thing is bull shit but that’s another thread) As bob.dino said, PD has one of the best demo programs going and this would be the way to go. Did you know that PD does not make a 190 sq. ft. reserve? Do you think you might have a 193?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #8 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuotebecause most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies I'll bet that with a little searching you could find an old d-bag and pilot chute someone would be willing to donate for the cause of science. The pilot chute needs to be attached to the d-bag, but the d-bag doesn't need to be attached to the canopy. You just have to be okay with losing if not exactly a freebag, at least no more than a cheapbag. Y'know, I didn't even consider that approach. Thanks for the suggestion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloudi 0 #9 August 1, 2006 Why are you guys making it seem more difficult than it really is? The reserve demo's are already set up as mains...PCA's & all! Dang ol' hecklers...sheesh!! Kim Watch as I attempt, with no slight of hand, to apply logic and reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #10 August 1, 2006 QuoteThe reserve demo's are already set up as mains...PCA's & all! Yeah, but since the answer was given in post #2, we've gotta amuse ourselves somehow . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #11 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe reserve demo's are already set up as mains...PCA's & all! Yeah, but since the answer was given in post #2, we've gotta amuse ourselves somehow . But as you know, many will keep shopping until they get the answer they are looking for.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,046 #12 August 1, 2006 >you could find an old d-bag and pilot chute someone would be willing to donate for the cause of science. I would also point out that it need not have a kill-line or intact internal bridle connection, since it will not be sticking around after opening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloudi 0 #13 August 1, 2006 You would make for a great surfer in Daytona... They will ride anything, merely to "feel" like they are really doing something. Kim Watch as I attempt, with no slight of hand, to apply logic and reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #14 August 1, 2006 QuoteHere's a thought... I have a PD 190 reserve... I've never flown it. (knock wood.) However, I'd like to, just to know what it's like. (I'm flying a Safire 2/229 currently. I read somewhere that PD will let you test reserves? Is that accurate? Obviously, I'm not going to pull my reserve upon deplying for the sake of testing it. I figure there's another way that I simply don't know about yet. Right? Any info appreciated, as always. There are two kinds of skydivers: Those that have had a reserve ride and those that are going to. Wait your turn it will come, the more experience you acquire in the mean time will better equip you to handle your first reserve ride when it actually happens. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,357 #15 August 1, 2006 QuoteThose that have had a reserve ride and those that are going to. Yeah... you told me that shit 7 years ago. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LittleOne 0 #16 August 1, 2006 I remember lately seeing an email from Sky's the Limit (in PA, not far at all) stating that PD would be there for a weekend. Not sure which one but you can check it out. You can do a demo there. Good luck. It's a great feeling (I still haven't had a cutaway ). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brabzzz 0 #17 August 1, 2006 Just before a repacks due, Look-locate-cutaway-reserve-arch. That way you're not chopping it for the sake of jumping it. Or go straight for silver up high, so yuo still have a main should you happen to be the unluckiest person on earth... edit: Some of the manufacturers tour with reserves you can 'demo'. The PD/Vector guys were in Gap with a 3 canopy system so you could chop it too. I hear that thing's on tour this summer? --------------------------------------- Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club www.skydivebristoluni.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #18 August 1, 2006 QuoteI would also point out that it need not have a kill-line or intact internal bridle connection, since it will not be sticking around after opening. You could also go a step further and use an RDS - basicaly atach the bag to the slider. I saw that up here a few weeks ago. To get this back on track, the original poster should contact PD and arrange a demo. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #19 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteThose that have had a reserve ride and those that are going to. Yeah... you told me that shit 7 years ago. Took me awhile too. I had 1145 jumps before my Dragonfly went in to an unrecoverable spin and forced me to land my Kxx (20' round reserve) by a wood pile @ Perris. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #20 August 2, 2006 QuoteJust before a repacks due, Look-locate-cutaway-reserve-arch. That way you're not chopping it for the sake of jumping it. Or go straight for silver up high, so yuo still have a main should you happen to be the unluckiest person on earth... This suggestion is just plain stupid.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #21 August 2, 2006 QuoteJust before a repacks due, Look-locate-cutaway-reserve-arch. That way you're not chopping it for the sake of jumping it. Or go straight for silver up high, so yuo still have a main should you happen to be the unluckiest person on earth...I once read about somebody who decided to do this and went in under his malfunctioning reserve. This was in a thread on these forums... so I can't tell you if it was the truth or not. Reserves fail. Do not intentionally cutaway a good canopy from a 2-parachute system. At the very least, you're decreasing the life of your reserve. At the other end of the spectrum, you're committing suicide. I can't believe you would honestly recommend this to anybody.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #22 August 2, 2006 I don't know if they still do it, but "back in the day" when PD used to do the "PD Tour" they would have reserves hooked up on main risers that you could put into a rig... theirs or yours... as the "main" and go jump it. I'm not sure if this is still included as part of PDs demo program or not? Might be worth a call and asking them?? oops... someone up-post already said basically that... Thing about PD doing this that I can't remember how it workes was (is) none of their reserves has a main bridle/bag attach point... they must add one for their demo reserves... becaue it wasn't "free bagged", although that would work. --- break --- break ---- QuoteQuoteJust before a repacks due, Look-locate-cutaway-reserve-arch. That way you're not chopping it for the sake of jumping it. Or go straight for silver up high, so yuo still have a main should you happen to be the unluckiest person on earth... This suggestion is just plain stupid. Ditto! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #23 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteattatch your deployment system to it, then use it as a main! ...because most non-packing 100-ish jump folk know how to sew bridle attachment points to canopies . I would swear mine has one.... could be wrong... check your reserve next time you have it packed, and Pm me and let me know if you have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doorgirl 0 #24 August 2, 2006 Yup, I demoed the 193 from PD. Kim was very helpful and it was worth the $$ to me for the single jump. I'm analytical, and I like to remove all the questions I can since there will always be more. I'm glad that I know how it flies and I'm much more confident that I'll be able to handle the situation should I end up in a situation where I don't have much time to acquaint myself with the canopy. And with reserves as big as ours, I think the only way to demo is directly through the PD factory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #25 August 2, 2006 QuoteI would swear mine has one.... could be wrong... check your reserve next time you have it packed, and Pm me and let me know if you have one. Precision Aerodynamics, Ravens in particular is the only company that I know of that has bridle attachments on their reserves. My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
