Elisha 1 #26 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteI would swear mine has one.... could be wrong... check your reserve next time you have it packed, and Pm me and let me know if you have one. Precision Aerodynamics, Ravens in particular is the only company that I know of that has bridle attachments on their reserves. (Only about 95% sure, but...) On safety day this year when Bonnie got some PD Reserve Demos, I remember having to undo my bridle/d-bag/PC to attach to the PD reserve to jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #27 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI would swear mine has one.... could be wrong... check your reserve next time you have it packed, and Pm me and let me know if you have one. Precision Aerodynamics, Ravens in particular is the only company that I know of that has bridle attachments on their reserves. (Only about 95% sure, but...) On safety day this year when Bonnie got some PD Reserve Demos, I remember having to undo my bridle/d-bag/PC to attach to the PD reserve to jump.This would be true. Demo reserves will have a bridle attachment point so they can be used as a main. Most reserves [when being used as reserves] will not have a bridle attachment point.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #28 August 2, 2006 You could just hook the reserve up to a set of main risers, pack it like it was a main and bag it in a regular main bag / bridle / pilot chute without hooking the bag/bridele to the canopy... bag the canopy, stow the lines, close the container in the normal manner... jump, deploy, chase your bag & pilot chute down... ... it would work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #29 August 2, 2006 Quote(Only about 95% sure, but...) But you are 100% right. Reserves from other manufactures would be set up the same way if there intended use was for demo jumping the canopy I was referring to production reserve canopies not used for demos. Precision made the Raven series of canopies as both mains and reserves and they all came with packing taps and bridle attachments.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brabzzz 0 #30 August 2, 2006 Plain stupid or just going against everything we're taught? Do you know the slinks/biners on your reserve will hold? Do you know the reserve risers won't pop at the stitiching on deployment? Do you know do you know do you know....etc....and will test jumping just the reserve canopy tell you any of that? Yeah, it's not recommended for many reasons. Yeah, it's a bit 'stupid' (depending on definition). But just like a first jump on a new container/base setup, it's f*cking reassuring when it's all open and flying...gives you total confidence in your gear from that point on (rigger mals excluded). You can inspect it all you want, but personally, i don't find it all that reassuring, not compared with -knowing- it works. With the main still an option (i.e. dont deploy/chop it first), i'd don't think it's entirely 'plain stupid' and without merit. F*uk it, i'll go out on a limb and say that if everyone that was planning a hook turn did this instead up high, we'd have less dead people this year. Yeah, I pulled the numbers out of my ass, but it's probably not far off the truth. --------------------------------------- Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club www.skydivebristoluni.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #31 August 2, 2006 QuoteDo you know the slinks/biners on your reserve will hold? Do you know the reserve risers won't pop at the stitiching on deployment? Do you know do you know do you know....etc.... I would say yes I do. I have been known to get very familiar with my gear. With the main still an option (i.e. dont deploy/chop it first), i'd don't think it's entirely 'plain stupid' and without merit. Quote What to think your chances are of deploying a main with bridle, bag and P/C attached into your reserve without a problem? QuotePlain stupid or just going against everything we're taught? I would say both, most rules and procedures in skydiving are written in blood. And I would prefer to keep it in someone else’s blood.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brabzzz 0 #32 August 2, 2006 As for the chances thing regarding dumping a main into a SpinningSacOfShiteReserve, i mentioned 'up high' for the sole reason you could then literally cut away from the reserve. The old 'hookkinves are useless/no time/midair rigging is bad' doesn't wash here as you're not hunting for a single line, only tight webbing. Yeah, not ideal and seriously damages gear. But, if you end up needing to do it, either your rigger or the manufacturer has that to worry about...as someone f*ckued up and you'd be dead had you really needed that reserve. --------------------------------------- Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club www.skydivebristoluni.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #33 August 2, 2006 QuoteAs for the chances thing regarding dumping a main into a SpinningSacOfShiteReserve, i mentioned 'up high' for the sole reason you could then literally cut away from the reserve. The old 'hookkinves are useless/no time/midair rigging is bad' doesn't wash here as you're not hunting for a single line, only tight webbing. Yeah, not ideal and seriously damages gear. But, if you end up needing to do it, either your rigger or the manufacturer has that to worry about...as someone f*ckued up and you'd be dead had you really needed that reserve. Have you ever had to use a hook knife in a real bad situation? You need to back up and re-evaluate the way you view gear and how it functions. I fear you do not have a realistic understanding of the whole picture.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigger_john 0 #34 August 2, 2006 Michael, you are way out of line on this one, lets face it not only have you a tiny fracton of the experiance of Sparky, you don't even hold any ratings, not even an Advanced Packer rating let alone any Rigging ratings. You aren't even currently a BPA member. So all your "observations are based on pure speculation and not at all on experiance. Nobody in their right mind would pop thier reserve "just to see"._________________________________________ Nullius in Verba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #35 August 2, 2006 Thanks John, but I suspect he is just having a little fun pulling this old man's chain. No harm, its been done before by smarter.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brabzzz 0 #36 August 2, 2006 Fair point. I certainly lack the experience, by a massive margin, of either you or sparky - with regard to years, jumps and having never having had a mal. That's not to say i wouldn't consider doing it once i can pack the reserve myself (maybe never then!), I just admit it was irresponsible to say what might have even remotely resembled an 'answer' to a newish jumper looking for advice. edit: in hindsight, i probably wouldn't have the balls to deploy what is essentially the last chance - its one thing doing it when you only have the one canopy but intentionally doing it on a rig with 2 is perhaps a bit beyone me at the mo! --------------------------------------- Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club www.skydivebristoluni.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #37 August 2, 2006 QuoteFair point. I certainly lack the experience, by a massive margin, of either you or sparky - with regard to years, jumps and having never having had a mal. That's not to say i wouldn't consider doing it once i can pack the reserve myself (maybe never then!), I just admit it was irresponsible to say what might have even remotely resembled an 'answer' to a newish jumper looking for advice. edit: in hindsight, i probably wouldn't have the balls to deploy what is essentially the last chance - its one thing doing it when you only have the one canopy but intentionally doing it on a rig with 2 is perhaps a bit beyone me at the mo! Hindsight is a wonderful thing especially when you can use it ahead of time.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #38 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteI would swear mine has one.... could be wrong... check your reserve next time you have it packed, and Pm me and let me know if you have one. Precision Aerodynamics, Ravens in particular is the only company that I know of that has bridle attachments on their reserves. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trivial point: reserves made by FTS and APS also came standard with bridle attachments, but I doubt if either of those companies have sewn a canopy in this century. Even more trivial, I have a demo Amigo 206 reserve with a bridle attachment and a Tempo 250 reserve with a bridle attachment in my loft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigger_john 0 #39 August 2, 2006 who made the Hobbit, i'm fairly sure that used to have one & a diaper IIRC._________________________________________ Nullius in Verba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #40 August 2, 2006 Quote who made the Hobbit, i'm fairly sure that used to have one & a diaper Bill Gargano's design (and he's still active as a canopy designer on the para-glider/powered parachute side); later Strong Enterprises. The Hobbit was also TSO'd for use on 2 or 4 risers. Pioneer X-210R was also diaper-deployed and had a p/c attachment. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #41 August 2, 2006 QuotePioneer X-210R was also diaper-deployed and had a p/c attachment. I believe the X-210R was made by GQ Security and it was made as a main also. The Hobbit, Spirit and the Wizard I think. My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berchtoldaj 0 #42 August 2, 2006 Each PD tour rep traveling around the country has Reserve demo's at each event set up to be jumped as mains. Locations still to come this season... Lost Prairie, Montana Skydive Long Island Eugene Skydivers Skydive Oregon Skydive Orange, VA Jumptown, MA All Kansas Cessna Boogie Aerohio Skydive Elsinore Bay Area Skydiving(Byron Boogie) For dates... [/url]http://www.performancedesigns.com/pdcalendar/pdevents.aspx[url] Albert Berchtold PD Tour Representative************ Watch out for planters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #43 August 2, 2006 Thank you all for the info! Most appreciated. I suppose I'll try and find PD at SKYLI when they're there. I could also demo a 190 or similar from my pro shop, as that would probably be more similar than my 229. Again, thanks much for the advice!_______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #44 August 3, 2006 QuoteI believe the X-210R was made by GQ Security I stand corrected. I see it's on the same Poynter's page as the Thunderbow I packed up yesterday. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #45 August 3, 2006 I think it was around 1980 +- I jumped an X210 main for a short time. Af the CruiseAir it was a pretty good canopy.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloudi 0 #46 August 3, 2006 Clicky. http://www.performancedesigns.com/pdcalendar/pdevents.aspx If you happen to attend one of these events in the Northeast, be sure to ask Albert about the 2006 Tour "look" as he's hooking up your demo or out walking around. Blue Steel, baby! Kim Watch as I attempt, with no slight of hand, to apply logic and reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seal_S49 0 #47 August 4, 2006 Quote I'll bet that with a little searching you could find an old d-bag and pilot chute someone would be willing to donate for the cause of science. The pilot chute needs to be attached to the d-bag, but the d-bag doesn't need to be attached to the canopy. You just have to be okay with losing if not exactly a freebag, at least no more than a cheapbag. Mark I packed my reserve as a main in my 2nd rig & connected a static line to the main bag for a Cessna exit w/ sub-terminal opening--spotted myself to land on some nice grass. No problem with lost or damaged gear. BTW, Precision Aerodynamics allows for this practice in publication part #P13001, calling it "one familiarization jump prior to reserve packing." Flame away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
