alex_778 0 #1 August 5, 2006 Hi Folks, can a cypress be fitted to an MC-4. Or even any other civvy AAD? If you know they can can you tell me which models etc. Cheers and blues skies Alex Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigger_john 0 #2 August 5, 2006 contact paraflite they will be able to tell you_________________________________________ Nullius in Verba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atsaubrey 0 #3 August 5, 2006 yes it is a retrofit. Jay Stokes gave me the plans but I dont know what i did with them. He is your best bet to get them."GOT LEAD?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #4 August 5, 2006 When in doubt, use the directions for installing a Cypres in a Para-Flite Swift - skydiving - container, since the MC-4 is just a very large version of a Swift. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_778 0 #5 August 6, 2006 Thanks boys, appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lok 0 #6 August 13, 2006 Cypress can fit in MC-4. in Greek Army special forces ( I have done my national service years before) all MC-4 rigs were with CYPRESS AAD ( military version). I was only statil line jumper, but I had a friend who was HALO/HAHO qualified, and he show me the rig. MC-4 rigs had also RSL but they disconect them in HAHO only jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_778 0 #7 August 21, 2006 I feel it is appropriate to keep people up to date on developments regarding this because there are so many of these rigs coming out onto the market. 1. I have received some excellent instructions on fitting a Cypress to an MC-4. I do need to clarify a couple of points though. 2. I have received a reply from a nice man at SSK who sell the military Cypress: Quoteyes, retrofit instructions are available, but generally only distributed Military Riggers because of the opening characteristics of the MC-4 reserve, it is standard practice to use a Military CYPRES with a 1500 ft. setting because of the size and dimensions of the container, the Military CYPRES comes standard with a 1200mm control unit cable - the civilian versions (Expert) are 750mm and not long enough to fit the MC-4 3. I have received some advice from a forum user that points to a Cypress Student model as a good equivelent to the Military model. I will keep you informed. Alex Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #8 August 21, 2006 Good points on the canopies opening characteristics and the cable lengths. Also of note is that the MC-4 is a 2 pin reserve system."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_778 0 #9 August 26, 2006 Well it all seems academic at the moment, I have been let down by someone who told me he had lots of MC-4's for sale etc, etc. Theres another guy with an ad in the classifieds who I contacted, he does not seem to have any either. I will keep on top of the AAD fitting project, as I WILL GET AN MC-4 - it has reached the level of a personal mission now. Anyone who knows of an MC-4 for sale, good condition let me know - its for delivery in the USA not to the UK. Cheers Alex Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #10 September 4, 2006 ***I have been let down by someone who told me he had lots of MC-4's for sale... as I WILL GET AN MC-4 - it has reached the level of a personal mission now.Anyone who knows of an MC-4 for sale, good condition let me know - its for delivery in the USA not to the UK. [url] Don't fret, seeing how the MC-4 is being phased out and we are already testing possible replacements for it, I would expect there to be a flood of them onto the streets in the not so distant future. Keep an eye on DRMO auctions for some potentially excellent deals."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #11 September 4, 2006 QuoteI feel it is appropriate to keep people up to date on developments regarding this because there are so many of these rigs coming out onto the market. 1. I have received some excellent instructions on fitting a Cypress to an MC-4. I do need to clarify a couple of points though. 2. I have received a reply from a nice man at SSK who sell the military Cypress: Quoteyes, retrofit instructions are available, but generally only distributed Military Riggers because of the opening characteristics of the MC-4 reserve, it is standard practice to use a Military CYPRES with a 1500 ft. setting because of the size and dimensions of the container, the Military CYPRES comes standard with a 1200mm control unit cable - the civilian versions (Expert) are 750mm and not long enough to fit the MC-4 3. I have received some advice from a forum user that points to a Cypress Student model as a good equivelent to the Military model. I will keep you informed. Alex This is from CPS web site. http://www.cpsworld.com/tech_pdfs/SSK/Cypres.pdfMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #12 September 4, 2006 QuoteThis is from CPS web site. http://www.cpsworld.com/..._pdfs/SSK/Cypres.pdf Good info but keep it in perspective. The canopies mentioned are not what one will encounter in any demilled MC-4. The canopies mentioned are the ones that the military is currently testing and evaluating for potential use. Both the canopies and the Cypress mentioned are for military use(military versions) and will more than likely not be readily available to the genreral public. Canopy characteristics of a XX or X series MC-4 will not be similar to what was described in that pdf file as some of those canopies are hybrids(zp & f-111) and or have 9 cells as opposed to 7 currently found in the MC-4. Likewise, the Military cypress is a unique and different piece of equipment from previous Cypress models and therfore may have similar but different characteristics found in the civilian models. However, the considerations that were outlined in the file are applicable to those looking at using a demilled MC-4 with a civillian model canopy and AAD."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #13 September 4, 2006 You are right that the cypress and canopies are for military use and will more than likely not be available to the general public. While the mains come in a variety of configurations, depending on the mission, the only reserves available are either the TR 7 cell made with F-111 type material or the HR 9 cell made with the same material. I brought up the military version because of this statement. Quote3. I have received some advice from a forum user that points to a Cypress Student model as a good equivelent to the Military model. They are not even close to being "equivalent".My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atsaubrey 0 #14 September 4, 2006 Hey Spark I am curious as to why you might not agree that the Student Cypress isn't a good canidate for this type of rig. isn't the student cypress set at 2000ft or something close?"GOT LEAD?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #15 September 4, 2006 QuoteHey Spark I am curious as to why you might not agree that the Student Cypress isn't a good canidate for this type of rig. isn't the student cypress set at 2000ft or something close? From the Cypres 2 manual: "It activates the release unit when it detects a rate of descent higher than 29 mph (13 meters per second). The activation altitude is split. In the case of rate of descent being approx. that of free fall, the opening altitude is at approx. 750 feet (the same as with Expert CYPRES). However, should the rate of descent be lower than that of freefall but still above the limit of 29 mph (e.g. with partially opened canopy, or after a cutaway), then Student CYPRES activates the release unit when the altitude falls below approx. 1000 feet (approx. 300 meters) above ground level. The student will then have more time to prepare for landing. Like the Expert CYPRES, the Student CYPRES ceases operation below approx. 130 feet AGL."My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_778 0 #16 September 8, 2006 Sorry, I have not been about. I received some info from SSK regarding Cypres's. Military versions have a cable length of 1250mm compared to 650mm for the civilian version and 1000mm for the student version. The MC-4 container is large and needs the longer cable length. The other major consideration is the difference in activation velocity, fairly pedestrian for the student version. I have spoken with an AAD manufacturer whose model seems to fulfill the criteria required. The model is able to vary opening altitudes and has a 35m/sec velocity requirement for activation. They will also custom manufacture cables in longer lengths <=1250mm. So I shall formalise my enquiry with them to get the information in writing and let you know. I have had contact from many folks that either own or are trying to own an MC-4. Judging by this level of interest and enthusiasm for the rig I would think it is feasible for any AAD manufacturer to provide the extra long cable on request. Thank you all for the input to date. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #17 September 9, 2006 For comparison purposes, the Military Cypress data sheets can be found HERE"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_778 0 #18 November 13, 2006 FXC is looking good. I know it is not electronic computerised heat seeking thermo activated Pepsi buying but, it does the job. Added to which my rigger has recomended it and the good folks at FXC have supplied the fitting instructions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #19 November 17, 2006 As long as you keep it maintained, set to the right altitude, and watch your pull levels it is a good option. I have 79 jumps with that rig with a FXC. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davemon 0 #20 November 23, 2006 A standard FXC can be fitted to the MC-4 reserve with a pocket in the reserve pack tray.FXC has instructions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
