Baseball rules question

[sundevil777 102]

I thought I knew the answer to this question, that it was a basic fact that everyone knew, but after hearing the comment of the announcers to a Cubs-Mariners game, I'm not so sure.

Example scenario: Runner at 3rd, two out, ground ball hit to infielder that throws out the batter at first.

Question: If the runner at third gets home before the batter is out, does the run count?

I always thought the timing of the runner passing home didn't matter as long as the batter was out at first, as opposed to getting out at second base attempting to get a double. However, the announcers of the game commented that the infielder had to hurry his throw to first because Ichiro Suzuki was at third base, and can get home so quickly.

I tried to confirm the answer by looking at the official rules:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/foreword.jsp

I just can't find where the rules cover this situation.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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[ryan_d_sucks 0]

No it does not count.

Because the runner at first is a 'force-out' the runner from third does not score. The same would be true if a person was forced out from 1st to 2nd, or 2nd to 3rd.

If, however the runner made it to first base, and then got caught between first and second in a 'rundown' or 'pickle' and was tagged out after the runner at third scored the run would count.

Edit: I used to play a shitload of competitive baseball, and even umpired for a few seasons, and I've never heard someone say something like that. That announce must have made a mistake or been confused.

[CaptainOKaos 0]

From my memory and experience, the announcer is correct. Any base advancement, including taking home plate/scoring a run, that takes place prior to the third out, COUNTS. That's why, in the two out, with men on base scenerio, requires in/outfielders, to be not only observant of the runners advancing & which is advancing the fastest, but also make a split second decision as to where/whom to throw to. Other wise it would be really boring. Otherwise, The fielder responsible for initiating the play, could take his sweet time, trying to get anyone of the remain players on the 3rd out, and still have any of the run(s) that scored before the tag/out dismissed??? That would make no sense at all!

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[CaptainOKaos 0]

Ah, I forgot about the exclusion of the runner at first 'forceout' I stand corrected any other advancing runner applys to my last post! Nice save ryan!

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[0.2sknuF 0]

As long as he runs across home plate screaming "OOGA BOOGA WOOGA" the run counts. If he cant be heard saying the magic words then it does not count.

[sundevil777 102]

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That announce must have made a mistake or been confused.

That is what I had thought was true since I was a kid, but the announcers know more than I do, so I wanted to get other opinions.

I thought it would be easy to find the answer in the official rules, but they are really hard to use to find the answer to such a simple question.

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[CaptainOKaos 0]

Yes, and he could end up in therapy, if they took the run away unjustly.

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[Nightingale 0]

It has nothing to do with the speed of the runner on third.

Any runs scored during a play which results in the third out by the batter running to first base do not count. Ditto with any runs scored during a force third out or if someone misses a base and becomes a third out.

"4.09 (a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made
(1) by the batter runner before he touches first base;
(2) by any runner being forced out; or
(3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases. "

[sundevil777 102]

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It has nothing to do with the speed of the runner on third.

Any runs scored during a play which results in the third out before the batter reaches first base do not count. Ditto with any runs scored during a force third out or if someone misses a base and becomes a third out.

"4.09 (a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made
(1) by the batter runner before he touches first base;
(2) by any runner being forced out; or
(3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases. "

Thanks, it figures the applicable rule would be in a section that I figured wouldn't be related (Sec. 4: Starting and Ending a Game)

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[CaptainOKaos 0]

Thank you for the correction, that's what I get for trying to help with a MLB question, when I really only watch it when there's No Football or hockey on!
Oh.... BTW, SLAM I just got corrected on ML sports question by a girl!

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Bottom of ninth. Bases loaded. Tie Game. Batter hits a grand slam.

Does he get credit for 4 RBI?

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[sundevil777 102]

Because I think the final score of the game would include all 4 runs, I say yes, the batter gets credit for all of them.

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[kenz 0]

i have no clue about any of the super technical rules - however i am going to an orioles game tonight :):): wahoooo first time at camden yards :) and im going again on my bday :)

i'll have a super bright yellow delaware sweatshirt sitting right by 3rd base in case anyone gets the game and watches :)

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[Nightingale 0]

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Bottom of ninth. Bases loaded. Tie Game. Batter hits a grand slam.

Does he get credit for 4 RBI?

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Yes, of course. Rule book section 4.11c

(c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate.

[sundevil777 102]

There should be something added to the rules stating that the strike zone shall remain as defined by the rules, and shall not contract over time to be only 6 inches high. No need for this part of the rules to be a living, evolving document.

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So...
How many strikeouts can a pitcher record in any one inning?

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[livendive 8]

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I thought I knew the answer to this question, that it was a basic fact that everyone knew, but after hearing the comment of the announcers to a Cubs-Mariners game, I'm not so sure.

Example scenario: Runner at 3rd, two out, ground ball hit to infielder that throws out the batter at first.

Question: If the runner at third gets home before the batter is out, does the run count?

I always thought the timing of the runner passing home didn't matter as long as the batter was out at first, as opposed to getting out at second base attempting to get a double. However, the announcers of the game commented that the infielder had to hurry his throw to first because Ichiro Suzuki was at third base, and can get home so quickly.

I tried to confirm the answer by looking at the official rules:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/foreword.jsp

I just can't find where the rules cover this situation.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Your interpretation is correct. I'm guessing what he meant was that the fielding player had to hurry his throw to ensure the out was made at all (because Ichiro is a threat), without regard to whether the out was made before Ichiro crossed home plate.

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[PLFKING 4]

Back in the day, in this scenario the man on third would stroll in and that would be the game.....it was called sportsmanship. In today's game, the home-run hitter will almost always circle the bases, because of performance clauses in their contracts.

On another note......does anyone here think that Bonds deserves to own the home-run record when he gets there ? I think his name should be followed by a bigger * than Maris ever had.


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[Andrewwhyte 1]

How many ways can a runner advance to second base from first?

[CaptainOKaos 0]

Depends on the girl in the backseat with him, and how she was raised.

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[Nightingale 0]

it seems like the answer would be 3, but it's actually unlimited, since the pitcher gets credit for a K even if the strike gets past the catcher and the batter gets to base. The pitcher can get "strikeout" credit even if the batter isn't really out.

[livendive 8]

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So...
How many strikeouts can a pitcher record in any one inning?

I'm thinking unlimited, with the right sequence of uncaught third strikes, wild pitches, stolen bases, and errors.

Blues,
Dave

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