mutron 0 #1 August 27, 2006 I am considering buying this setup for my first rig .... * Javelin - J3 container - less than 75 jumps - no stains - looks brand new - seems and tabs are in great shape -metal housings - pillow cutaway DOM 1994. Comfortable Raven 3 Main - 175 DOM 1990 75 jumps - still bright - fabric good - lines are in good shape Paraflight Swift Plus - 175 reserve 1 ride - DOM 1994 AAD - cypress 1 DOM 1994 - bummer Acessories - -Altimaster 3 - like new -Larsen and Brusard - basic one tone dytter - still in package - never opened -2 pair of kroops goggles - good shape - Gear bag Selling all for $1500 I have brought the package to my home DZ and he says its a good deal and I should buy it ....... however I would like to get some opinions on how much it is going to cost me to have a boc installed. I would also like to know of any other modifications that can be done to the container that would help keep the reserve flap closed.... I say this because while I am a newcomer to the sport and all my jumps up until this point have focused on the fundamentals.... should I be concerned fliping - rolling - backflying - and eventually learning to sit ---------researching through other threads there seems to be some mixed opinions --- please could someone shed some light..... Weight 175 - out the door Currently flying a sillouette 210, however will be moving down to a 190 next weekend... will put 25 jumps on that canopy before moving down ... oh yea - what doe you guys think about the re-sale value - how much should I expect to get back if sold after a couple of seasons .. also if the cypress is sent back to manufactuer and tested would i still be able to use it if it tested good even though it is out of date ... I would only use for a short period of time until I could buy a new one ..... thanks for any advice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porterhouse 0 #2 August 27, 2006 Remember the saying "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." I certainly can't say if this is the case or not, but a lot of things in this ad don't make sense. Most notably, the price: try to find any other ad that gives you a complete system, in such good condition, with low usage, and all brand new accessories for $1,500. You won't be able to. Also, the ad states that the DOM is 1994.....but it only has 75 jumps and looks brand new. Again, find me another rig that is 12 years old and has only 75 jumps. I must reitterate that I am not saying if this is a legit ad or not. Just trying to put a different perspective to your question. Blues... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutron 0 #3 August 27, 2006 I actually had a chace to go look at the rig in question today.... The rig is being sold by a friend and co-workers sister.... After picking the rig up and taking it out to my home dz. I had the a certified rigger inspect it - he said it was a good deal .... After further talking to the sister I figured out what happened.. she was just getting in to the sport when she lost a group of friends in a plane crash... She was unable to continue jumping after that... so she bagged up the gear and stored it in a closet ....for the past twelve years... I guess where my concern lies is in the safety of the rig... as i stated the rig is in great condition however I would like to get the opinions of fellow jumpers who have experience with these particular models ....is there any mods that would help with the reserve tabs and what would you say the selling value of this rig would be if I was to buy it and re-sell it thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #4 August 27, 2006 Quote* Javelin - J3 container - less than 75 jumps - no stains - looks brand new - seems and tabs are in great shape -metal housings - pillow cutaway DOM 1994. Comfortable How tall are you and what size is the MLW? Rig is very old. QuoteRaven 3 Main - 175 240+ DOM 1990 75 jumps - still bright - fabric good - lines are in good shape Raven III is an old canopy and 240 + sq. ft. If you need a main that big the resrrve is way to small. 75 jumps, I would question this. QuoteParaflight Swift Plus - 175 reserve 1 ride - DOM 1994 A very old design and an orphan canpoy. QuoteAAD - cypress 1 DOM 1994 bummer No AAD included. QuoteAcessories - -Altimaster 3 - like new -Larsen and Brusard - basic one tone dytter - still in package - never opened -2 pair of kroops goggles - good shape - Gear bag Nice but should not figure in price of rig. Selling all for $1500 $700 to $900 max. jmoMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #5 August 28, 2006 IMO you aren't going to put very many jumps on that gear before you realize you want "up to date" gear. Great price sure... I can sell you a bridge for a great price too if you know what I am saying. It's old technology... not just slightly old... tape cassette kinda old. Don't buy it. Maybe if you can get a really good price, just pick up the container only... J3 is a good container for a newbie. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #6 August 28, 2006 I agree with Sparky that it isn't really worth $1000, 1500 is way off, I think. edit - the fact that it is so slightly used does not raise the value much.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porterhouse 0 #7 August 28, 2006 "DO NOT GO CHEAP ON YOUR GEAR!!!" That's one of the best pieces of advice I've ever received. Your gear is the ONLY thing that can keep you from crashing into the planet. It is NOT the place to cut corners and try to save a few bucks. If you want to stay safe and keep jumping into your golden years, then GET GOOD GEAR and maintain it meticulously. Buy gear based on what is best for you, not what the seller wants. Have fun, and stay safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #8 August 28, 2006 However, you can also pay a whole lot for gear that is not necessarily right for you. It's possible to get good, appropriate gear for a whole lot less than new gear, and then spend the money jumping. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porterhouse 0 #9 August 28, 2006 I absolutely agree Wendy. I was mearly trying to let our friend know that there is a big difference between good used gear that is modern and safe, and used gear that has outdated technology which they will outgrow very quickly as they progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #10 August 28, 2006 I jump containers and reserves that old, no problem (got plenty of rides on 'em too). The main and the reserve, don't load them above 1.0. Hey, it's cheap starter gear, if the sizes are ok for you and you don't have an immediate career in freeflying planned, why not. Saves you a lot of money for jumping. Plenty of people here have swift reserves (and a lot have the 5 cell swifts too), they're ok reserves even if most americans don't seem to like them You won't lose much money on this rig, renting is expensive, although maybe try and get a little off the price. It's better to have older gear and be able to jump than have state-of-the-art gear that matches your jumpsuit but no cash left.... ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #11 August 28, 2006 I'd figure no more than $800 for the entire package. The Cypres isn't worth anything; once it hits 12 years old it's a doorstop. A Raven 3 is pretty big. You'll probably want to get something smaller and zp real soon (a J3 will hold a 170 zp main). Decent gear for a broke person but don't pay over $1000 for everything. It ain't state of the art but it'll get ya in the air until you can afford newer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #12 August 28, 2006 Quote jump containers and reserves that old, ...... Did you pay $1500 for your gear? QuoteHey, it's cheap starter gear, It is not cheap starter gear, it is overpriced gear that is rather old.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #13 August 29, 2006 QuoteQuote jump containers and reserves that old, ...... Did you pay $1500 for your gear? For the main and reserve, for both rigs, yeah about that. But gear is more expensive here ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #14 August 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote jump containers and reserves that old, ...... Did you pay $1500 for your gear? For the main and reserve, for both rigs, yeah about that. But gear is more expensive here I didn't think about that. I think you guys are getting ripped off but I guess you haven't got much choice.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #15 August 29, 2006 I once bought a vortex11 from aguy that had quit jumping under instructions from his wife i only had 6 jumps, yes 6 jumps on the whole sysem. i paid NZ$2000 (US$1200) and got a FS jumpsuit, an alti, a dytter, a matching gearbag and a packing mat. the gear really did have 6 jumps. i di 100 on it and sold it for a good profit, and stil ata bargain price. so you can find really good deals out there, if you ask a rigger that does not know the seller and they say it is a good deal and suitable then go for it!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutron 0 #16 August 30, 2006 Thanks guys for all the advice I appreciate it .... I ended up offering the lady $500 for the rig and she said ok.... So I bought it.... I figure in another week or so I should have enough cash to buy a main..... I agree the current main is way to big for the container.... I figure in three or four months I should have enough to buy a new container, reserve and AAD.. so I think it all worked out ok...I guess my real concern now is how safe the reserve is ... if the rigger looked at and said it was ok.. I trust his opinion however what do you guys think... oh yea and what do you think about the reserve flap... should I be concerned about a premature if I was to flip - roll - lay on back etc.... any advice appreciated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #17 August 30, 2006 QuoteThanks guys for all the advice I appreciate it .... I ended up offering the lady $500 for the rig and she said ok.... So I bought it.... I figure in another week or so I should have enough cash to buy a main..... I agree the current main is way to big for the container.... I figure in three or four months I should have enough to buy a new container, reserve and AAD.. so I think it all worked out ok...I guess my real concern now is how safe the reserve is ... if the rigger looked at and said it was ok.. I trust his opinion however what do you guys think... oh yea and what do you think about the reserve flap... should I be concerned about a premature if I was to flip - roll - lay on back etc.... any advice appreciated The Swift + is fully Kevlar reinforced which makes it able to withstand high shock loads, it also opens very quickly (be prepared if you have to use it). Not the most popular reserve ever made, mainly due to the "minimilist" construction techniques. By minimilist I mean the internal seams are not folded over to hide the (hot) cut edges as as found on most other canopies. It is a cosmetic issue rather than a structural one. Bottom line: not the prettiest reserve out there but plenty strong and reliable. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #18 August 30, 2006 QuoteBottom line: not the prettiest reserve out there but plenty strong and reliable. But it can land like shit for those with little 7 cell experience.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #19 August 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteBottom line: not the prettiest reserve out there but plenty strong and reliable. But it can land like shit for those with little 7 cell experience. True, practice practice practice. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #20 August 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteBottom line: not the prettiest reserve out there but plenty strong and reliable. But it can land like shit for those with little 7 cell experience. True, practice practice practice. Mick. And where would a new jumper go to get practice landing a swift? I know, Mick's house. Party this Saturday, bring you own mix.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
