virgin-burner 1 #26 May 20, 2007 “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #27 May 20, 2007 Are you actively jumping while being on anti-depressants? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #28 May 20, 2007 Delayed ejac might not go away, but you'll get used to it. Builds strng wrist and hand muscles. If you do change meds, especially stay away from Effexor and Paxil. They both have really horrible withdrawal side effects if you need to change meds or stop for some reason. Incredibly nasty feeling. Effexor is particularly bad because it can happen after just mising a day or two of doses. I dont think Zoloft is a real problem in that respect. Another thing about Effexor is that when your body metabolizes it, some of the metabolites that are excreted in your urine trigger false-positive results for phencyclidine (angel dust) on immunoassay drug tests. Not a real big deal because positives get sent to a lab for GC/MS testing, which will rule out PCP. If you ever change meds, ask your doc about Duloxetine, trade name Cymbalta. I have had no side effects from it, and because it has a longer half-life, the withdrawal doesn't start for a couple weeks with me. Not sure if it would get as bad as Effexor if you quit cold turkey, but it would at least take longer. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #29 May 20, 2007 QuoteAre you actively jumping while being on anti-depressants? Are you implying that he shouldn't jump if he's on antidepressants? Just wonderin'. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #30 May 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteAre you actively jumping while being on anti-depressants? Are you implying that he shouldn't jump if he's on antidepressants? Just wonderin'. ya know, it's just a question. He's the one that put it out there. And the FAA does take a stance on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazelos 0 #31 May 20, 2007 Buddy I wish you luck getting out of this state of mind. I have only tried one prescription drug, prozac, and it did fuck all to make me feel any better. What made me a whole lot better was a mind altering LSD trip. Ironically, prozac actually enhanced the effects of the psychedelic substance. That, combined with the way I chose to enjoy my trip, not giggling with my friends at all the pretty colours, but instead confronting my past, and my depressed side. helped me realise some things about why I was at times depressed, and what I could do to change it. I am not suggesting that you go out and drive around in shady areas trying to score some 'cid, and of course I am not suggesting that you should stop your medication, that would be rather silly of me. I am merely saying what has worked for me. Take care bro He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1215 0 #32 May 20, 2007 Quote Are you actively jumping while being on anti-depressants? I will be next week, with 4 days off and a fresh repack . For the record, the adrenaline-rush from jumping's the best anti-depressant I've found Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1215 0 #33 May 21, 2007 Thanks bro!! That Effexor and Paxil sound like nasty shit . I know the Celexa was hell to stop taking . Damn, I wish I could bust a nut . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazelos 0 #34 May 21, 2007 Quote For the record, the adrenaline-rush from jumping's the best anti-depressant I've found Aye, when I sorted my shit out, I started playing water polo again (believe me, it's a fucking tough workout!), went for my second static line course -I gave up on the first one- and I have to say, working out so much and making my first jump got right out of my sad mood, sweat and blood by no tears as one motivational poster reads.He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1215 0 #35 May 21, 2007 I'm glad for your experience. Unfortunately, I don't see tripping on anything, any time soon. Uncle Sam frowns on military folk doing LSD, Acid, & a lot of other stuff . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1215 0 #36 May 21, 2007 Quote Quote For the record, the adrenaline-rush from jumping's the best anti-depressant I've found Aye, when I sorted my shit out, I started playing water polo again (believe me, it's a fucking tough workout!), went for my second static line course -I gave up on the first one- and I have to say, working out so much and making my first jump got right out of my sad mood, sweat and blood by no tears as one motivational poster reads. Sweet!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazelos 0 #37 May 21, 2007 Not to encourage you to do it, but as long as you do it in your own free time, it's pretty much impossible for someone to detect that you have had LSD unless they test you within a day or two. It's not like THC which can be detected in your blood for weeks after you have smoked up. Just some encyclopaedic knowledge for you. He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #38 May 21, 2007 Quote Damn, I wish I could bust a nut . Happen to have a hammer handy?? "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1215 0 #39 May 21, 2007 Quote Quote Damn, I wish I could bust a nut . Happen to have a hammer handy?? OUCH!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
staceyg 0 #40 May 21, 2007 Hi Matt, Have you asked your doctor about Lexapro? I was on it a couple of years ago, and had great results. The only side effects I noticed were during the first 3 weeks going on and the last 2-3 weeks coming off (felt like I was getting the flu); but my doctor told me to expect it so I just rode it out. Other than that it was fine. Evened out the mood swings, and got me through a rough time. Hope you feel better soon, I know how tough this is. If you have any questions, ask away! Peace, Stacey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #41 May 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you actively jumping while being on anti-depressants? Are you implying that he shouldn't jump if he's on antidepressants? Just wonderin'. ya know, it's just a question. He's the one that put it out there. And the FAA does take a stance on it. They take the same stand on dp meds as they do on Tylenol, Sudafed, antihypertensives, sugar, alcohol, caffeine, etc. In any case, the class of meds being discussed don't make one loopy, spaced out, and so on. Any jumper starting on a prescription (or anything that they are not sure about) med should discuss it with their doctor. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #42 May 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAre you actively jumping while being on anti-depressants? Are you implying that he shouldn't jump if he's on antidepressants? Just wonderin'. ya know, it's just a question. He's the one that put it out there. And the FAA does take a stance on it. They take the same stand on dp meds as they do on Tylenol, Sudafed, antihypertensives, sugar, alcohol, caffeine, etc. In any case, the class of meds being discussed don't make one loopy, spaced out, and so on. Any jumper starting on a prescription (or anything that they are not sure about) med should discuss it with their doctor. maybe have him ask his jump pilot that question before he gets on a load. bet they could shed some light. btw, you are wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sartre 0 #43 May 21, 2007 Are you saying one acid trip cured your depression? Or am I misunderstanding? I am in no way challenging or attacking, this is a serious question. I'm intrigued. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #44 May 21, 2007 Quotemaybe have him ask his jump pilot that question before he gets on a load. bet they could shed some light. btw, you are wrong. You may be thinking of rules regarding use of certain medications by pilots. The FAA Guide for Medical Examiners states that any use of several medications, including SSRI's, is disqualifying for aeromedical certification purposes. You can't be issued even a third class medical certificate. That guide applies only to third class and higher FAA medical certificates, which are not required for parachutists, so the above does not apply. Source: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/app_process/exam_tech/item47/amd/ Here is the only FAA rule (AFAIK) that applies to a pilot hauling jumpers: FAR 91.17(b) "Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or physical indications that the individual is under the influence of drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in that aircraft." Source: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=e634ca6d162a54e14cc96d68f6dcc388&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.3.10&idno=14#14:2.0.1.3.10.1.4.9 91.17(b) Is the rule that requires airline pilots to have intoxicated passengers removed from the aircraft, and is the same rule that a pilot hauling jumpers must follow. The fact that a jumper is taking meds does not in any way imply that the jumper is intoxicated. How many people taking dp meds do you think fly commercially every day? An area where a jump pilot who knows a jumper is taking meds should be concerned, though, is if a jumper is killed or injured, and the family sues the pilot claiming that he ilegally allowed an intoxicated passenger onto the plane and thus negligently contributed to his death. In that case, the pilot's knowledge of the meds might be used aginst him, but it doesn't, by its self, mean the jumper was intoxicated. It still must be proven that the pilot observed the jumper to be intoxicatd. There should be plenty of jumpers from the DZ who would testify in support of the pilot. Of course, people get screwed in lawsuits all the time in lawsuits. The above would also apply to administrative action taken against the pilot by the FAA. So, a jump pilot might have reason to be very, very slightly concerned, but only if he is a fucking twinkie. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazelos 0 #45 May 21, 2007 Quote Are you saying one acid trip cured your depression? Or am I misunderstanding? I am in no way challenging or attacking, this is a serious question. I'm intrigued. It did help me dramatically at the time, but it's up to me to put into action what I realised during my trip, to most this is probably common sense, but for me it wasn't. I used to spend days in my house doing nothing at all, feeling sorry for myself, thinking that my life is going down the hole, and because I was in such a state of mind I wasn't doing anything to change it. My family moved quite a few times, in a period of ten years, while I was in school, I changed seven schools, six neighbourhoods, and two countries. I wasn't as outgoing as I am now, I only had a few friends, that I would end up losing contact with because I was moving around. So instead I was staying home and playing video games when I should have been outside playing soccer or basketball or any other kind of sport. Now I realise that unless I have some kind of activity as well as working, it's natural to get in a low mood, because I was simply not doing anything. You are probably thinking to yourself, "why didn't you just go out?", honestly, I don't know why! Hope that makes sense He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #46 May 21, 2007 let's take it to safety and training? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazelos 0 #47 May 21, 2007 Quote let's take it to safety and training? Are there practising psychologists and psychiatrists in safety and training?He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #48 May 21, 2007 haahaa.......i guess not. However, an interesting topic that may be put under safety v. BF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PrairieDoug 0 #49 May 21, 2007 Reading this thread reaffirms my strong belief that it's idiotic to seek medical advice from people who have no professional training. To the OP, please keep working with your doctor to find a treatment strategy that's effective for you with minimal side effects. Doug Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpipes22 0 #50 May 21, 2007 I admire your willingness to discuss your experience with depression; good for others to see and hear; hopefully, good for you. Sorry if this shocks: I lost my 21 year old son last week to suicide; he had been depressed many years, and tried numerous meds. He was a wonderful, gentle man, and I regret not getting him up for a first sky dive before we lost him. My experience with Zoloft is that undesirable sexual side effects did not diminish with time; however, not everyone is the same. Urge you to discuss with your doctor; there are many different meds. Most importantly, urge you to not depend solely on meds; highly recommend you find and use a trusted counselor. Combination of these two can be much more helpful than one alone. Keep jumping: the wonderful people in sky diving are, by themselves, a delicious and heady elixir, with many healing properties. Blue skies."You can't overcome weakness by fighting it, or by thinking your way out of it: Evolution doesn't work that way . . . You overcome weakness by leaving it behind you!" ~ Stuart Wilde ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
