IanHarrop 42 #1 October 5, 2009 I am continually updating the first jump course presentation I use and I am looking for pictures I can put into the presentation before I have students practice flaring for landing. Ideally I would like two shots: - Student getting close to ground with hands all the way up (ideally with head not looking at the ground and knees and feet relatively together) - Same student flaring with both hands to their crotch just before their feet hit the ground. If you've got pics I can use it will be much appreciated. We have lots of great student landings but we never seem to catch exactly the sequence I want and its getting late in the season here... I don't want any snow on the ground in the shots! Thanks, Ian Harrop ian.harrop@live.com"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #2 October 5, 2009 Here's one from yesterday. Looking for a student flaring. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #3 October 5, 2009 Thanks! A student flaring with their hands to the crotch is the one I want the most. Students with a half assed flare or hands out to the sides always make me shake my head when I am on radio."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuai43 7 #4 October 5, 2009 QuoteThanks! A student... with their hands to the crotch is the one I want the most. . Ha, I'm ashamed for you. But intrigued. Waiting for the pic...Every fight is a food fight if you're a cannibal Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man. - Anthony Burgess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carrapeta 0 #5 October 5, 2009 If your gonna be dumb ya gotta be tough. Your mom goes HandHeld Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #6 October 5, 2009 If you're teaching the FJC, you're on a DZ. and there's two things on every DZ - skydivers and cameras. Have an experienced jumper suit up in a student jumpsuit and helmet, and do a hop n pop with a student rig. Have a predetermined landing spot, and set the camera up there. Tell the jumper to assume the landigng position high on final, and take as many pics as you want. Tell them to flare to their crotch, and have them do it a few feet high. You should be able to get a least 4 or 5 shots before touchdown. I reccomend fitting the entire canopy and jumper in the pics. Also, make sure you do this at a time of day where the direction of langing will have the sun at the camera persons back. Now you have exactly what you want, featuring the equipment the students will actually be using. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #7 October 5, 2009 Quote Students with a half assed flare or hands out to the sides always make me shake my head when I am on radio. I did some searching through pics I've posted on my website, and I honestly didn't find a single proper student landing. I was sure I had some, but if they flared to their crotch, their feet were apart. If their feet were together, they're legs were bent for a butt landing. If their legs were ok, they're arms were to their sides. Couldn't believe I couldn't find even one good one. Let me know if you want the one above higher res/non-watermarked. BTW, it ended with a perfectly executed and complely incorrect butt slide. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerolim 7 #8 October 6, 2009 This 2 are my students during flare,... Hope this helps,... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuai43 7 #9 October 6, 2009 QuoteIdeally I would like two shots: - Student getting close to ground with hands all the way up (ideally with head not looking at the ground and knees and feet relatively together) Forget those others - this is the shot you want. Tried like hell, but the damn thing wouldn't flare.Every fight is a food fight if you're a cannibal Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man. - Anthony Burgess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
upndownshop 0 #10 October 6, 2009 Quote Quote Ideally I would like two shots: - Student getting close to ground with hands all the way up (ideally with head not looking at the ground and knees and feet relatively together) Forget those others - this is the shot you want. Tried like hell, but the damn thing wouldn't flare. You got to build up speed with front risers first!!! Interesting goresPoor bastard had to jump a round in 84, my first was Dec 84 with a static line square... Thank god!!! LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydivesg 7 #11 October 6, 2009 Use the "Fly to Survive" video from USPA. Call Jim Crouch. He'll help you. I've found nothing better for showing exactly what you are looking for. The best part is you can show the full landing and then pause it at exactly the spot you want for emphasis. You can also slow motion it back and forth. It's much better than a single still.Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsreznor 0 #12 October 6, 2009 How about this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #13 October 7, 2009 It's funny as I look through my photos I realize a) how infrequently I shoot student landings and b) how infrequently I shoot all the way to until finish / feet on the ground Here's a sequence that's not quite perfect, but is not bad... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #14 October 7, 2009 ...and here's what happens when you put a hand down for "balance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #15 October 7, 2009 Finally found a pretty decent landing position. Legs are up a bit, but not too bad... Edit: Added same student a few seconds earlier and another student coming in for an ok PLF. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #16 October 7, 2009 How hard is it, to dress yourself up like a student (or don't - who cares?) get a student canopy, get a cameraman on the ground waiting for you, go up do a hop-n-pop (or ANY jump - again, who cares?) AND TAKE THE STILL AS HOWEVER YOU WANT THEM, AND LAND EXACTLY LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE PORTRAYED? Or maybe you just can't even land yourself yet, the way you would like to teach / portray? As the commercial says - "just do it". Done. Simple. Good luck. coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuai43 7 #17 October 8, 2009 Quote TAKE THE STILL AS HOWEVER YOU WANT THEM, AND LAND EXACTLY LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE PORTRAYED? Yeah, but who the hell wants to land like that, though?Every fight is a food fight if you're a cannibal Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man. - Anthony Burgess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spootch 0 #18 October 8, 2009 Quote EXACTLY LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE PORTRAYED? As he said in his first post "no snow" feel free to read it again. (and yep it snows where he's from) Quote Or maybe you just can't even land yourself yet, the way you would like to teach / portray? I also don't think you realise who Ian Harrop is or what he has done for this sport. The man is asking his jumping community for help cause he needs a few pics for his FJC and you flame him? Man I love this place! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #19 October 11, 2009 Quote Forget those others - this is the shot you want. Tried like hell, but the damn thing wouldn't flare. Man, I'm not surprised. There are huge holes in that canopy! How come you didn't you go to your reserve? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #20 October 13, 2009 Quote I also don't think you realise who Ian Harrop is or what he has done for this sport. Sure I do. You don't recognize tongue-in-cheek clearly, when you see it? Or maybe somehow you just missed that big yellow winky-face with the tongue sticking out of it, that is intended to portray that even more graphically for you? Sheesh man. Chill. If anyone took that SERIOUSLY, then heck, I seriously apologize. How's that? Friggin uptight space this seems to be getting lately. coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuai43 7 #21 October 14, 2009 Quote Quote Forget those others - this is the shot you want. Tried like hell, but the damn thing wouldn't flare. Man, I'm not surprised. There are huge holes in that canopy! How come you didn't you go to your reserve? Couldn't find the damn cutaway pillow.Every fight is a food fight if you're a cannibal Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man. - Anthony Burgess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swoosh 0 #22 October 18, 2009 Ian, I was searching through a million stills and found an excellent picture of a students hands on MY crotch, would that be of any help to you?? The Sky is NOT the Limit, the Dirt Is!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spootch 0 #23 October 22, 2009 Friggin uptight space this seems to be getting lately. I agree! People seem to get hammered for asking or answering questions in this place. Mr Harrop has somewhat of a bum leg that has hampered his jumping for the time being. Your post looked as though you were taking a "jab" at him. I appologise for interpreting it as such"How are you today mr Harrop?" "oh...you know, fat an happy , fat an happy!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #24 October 23, 2009 QuoteForget those others - this is the shot you want. Tried like hell, but the damn thing wouldn't flare. At least you didn't accidentally land on front risers like me... Ankle still hurts from that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #25 October 23, 2009 Quote also don't think you realise who Ian Harrop is or what he has done for this sport. The man is asking his jumping community for help cause he needs a few pics for his FJC and you flame him? Man I love this place! Most of us know who Ian is but no one has a clue who you are. Personal Profile Name: Email: No email entered. Country: City: SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
