mangledspoon 0 #1 September 11, 2006 Teardrop container, supposedly freefly friendly - two pins Falcon 150 main, dom 1990 reserve (i forget what size, but it is Microraven) dom 1989 main has 445 jumps, reserve has 0. No cypres I have test jumped it once and it flew great and the lines all look great still... I did have eight or nine line twists but I'm assuming this was probably my fault anyway... It is being sold with altimeter, packing mat, log book cover, weight belts It has been suggested to me to offer $1400 (AU), but I would have thought due to age it would be worth less than this...? Any ideas? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ugali 0 #2 September 11, 2006 You can not jump that rig!!! Students need a cypres or some sort of AAD built into the rig. I think only D licence and above can jump without an AAD. Check the APF Op Regs. DON'T BUY IT!!! Tom, Tom Tom, Tommy, Tom Love Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #3 September 11, 2006 Also, unless you are a lightweight person the main is too small. A 150 is small for a first rig anyway, and you do not want to load an F111 main over 1:1 which means your body weight should be max 60kg/130lbs. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #4 September 11, 2006 As Ugali said, you can't jump that rig until you have a D licence (200 jumps). That's if it has an RSL fitted. If not, you must wait until you get yourself an E licence. The Falcon is F111, so with 445 jumps it's getting long in the tooth. No ideas as to its value, sorry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mangledspoon 0 #5 September 11, 2006 I would be getting a Cypres fitted to it if I did buy it. And I am 65 kilos / 143lbs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #6 September 11, 2006 two pin teardrops are not usually that freefly friendly! f111 mains are crappy and to get a cypres installed will cost heaps, get something else!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #7 September 11, 2006 based on what i have read about raven reserves.. i'd keep looking. Are they not a brand of reserve that has more than once, stalled out on the flare...?? effectively 'dumping' the already overloaded jumper ( having just dealt with a reserve deployment/ main Mal. ) to the ground... MICRO raven???? i don't think so... and i concur with the point about the F 111 main. for sure bring the whole rig to a rigger whom you know , and get a trustworthy appraisal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #8 September 11, 2006 Quote based on what i have read about raven reserves.. i'd keep looking. Are they not a brand of reserve that has more than once, stalled out on the flare...?? effectively 'dumping' the already overloaded jumper ( having just dealt with a reserve deployment/ main Mal. ) to the ground... MICRO raven???? i don't think so... and i concur with the point about the F 111 main. for sure bring the whole rig to a rigger whom you know , and get a trustworthy appraisal Raven's of that era are fine IMO, as long as you DO NOT load them more then 1:1... but, yes, if you DO overload them, they have been known to do what you describe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mangledspoon 0 #9 September 13, 2006 Hmm thanks for all the comments guys. I didn't know much about the reserve so I will definitely take those comments on board. I had heard about F111's not lasting as long - I was told the canopy would have at least 500 jumps left on it though... it did fly nice but I think I will keep looking, I'm not sure if I feel that comfortable with a 150 either. I think it is only just a 1:1 wing loading, if I gain any weight at all it would probably push me over! The main reason I was looking at this is because my chief instructor is the one who has it at the DZ to sell, he seems to think I would be capable with it and that it is freefly friendly / decent to use etc etc... but I was sceptical due to the two pin, old age, smaller size... anyway I think I'm rambling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #10 September 13, 2006 The canopy might already be at the end of its life. When I was looking at buying a rig with a pd190 I read a lot of posts, and called pd myself. I was told that a little bit of abuse, like packing in whet grass, could ruin the canopy in short order. The canopy I was looking at had 200 jumps on it, and they tried to steer me away from it. They knew I wasn't going to buy a new canopy from them so I took their advice to heart. Quote 3. F111 canopies are a good choice for a first canopy. Well, yes and no. A good, fairly new F111 canopy, loadedcorrectly, is indeed a good first canopy. However, you have twothings against you: Few people sell good, low-time F111 canopies any more. Most have 500-1000 jumps on them, and at that age, they become difficult to land. A larger canopy will not be affected by this as much as a smaller canopy, so size matters. A pd230 may still land you well after 1000 jumps, since its forward speed is low to begin with. A PD150 with 1000 jumps will be very hard to land without injury for most jumpers. It's hard to resell F111 canopies, for the very reason mentioned above. They are generally retired after about 500-1500 jumps, do you're paying about $1 per jump for them. Zp lasts much longer - you can easily get 2000 jumps out of a Sabre 150 with an occasional line replacement. This ends up costing you around $.60 a jump. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=543"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialKaye 0 #11 September 13, 2006 I would like to respond to the issue of F111 canopies and the life of them...or the ability to maintain the life of the canopy. A trick that an old DPRE that was passed on to continue the life of an F111 canopy is to hang the canopy and spray it down with either FOOD GRADE silicone or even Scotchguard. Let it hang to dry. We did this with a 7 cell that I bought and it flies like brand new...great flare. The canopy I bought was somewhat tired, however, had no patches, pricks, holes or anything and was well worth the $20 to add life. Blue skies, Kaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #12 September 13, 2006 Quote A trick that an old DPRE that was passed on to continue the life of an F111 canopy is to hang the canopy and spray it down with either FOOD GRADE silicone or even Scotchguard. Let it hang to dry. We did this with a 7 cell that I bought and it flies like brand new...great flare. The canopy I bought was somewhat tired, however, had no patches, pricks, holes or anything and was well worth the $20 to add life. BTW how is the silicone getting dry? My canopy left a silicone-wet spot on the floor after packing when it was new. Nice trick. It could be a more bitchy to pack . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
