jraf 0 #101 May 7, 2007 A few brief remarks to this discussion: • Some here say that John’s salsa was great, or that he acted normal previously – this is irrelevant in this discussion, just as it is irrelevant that it took place at a DZ. • Many of us, your’s truly included have been in brawls one time or another. So was Randy. That is also irrelevant. • What is relevant is that Randy never used deadly force on anyone. I’ve known Randy for five years now, and I’ll vouch for that. He has not threatened anyone with deadly force either. • The bottom line is that Salsa used that deadly force. He used it without reason. He was lucky not to have killed Randy. He has it in him self to kill someone – in view of that the quality of his salsa and his other character traits are of very little importancejraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #102 May 7, 2007 I don't know man, good salsa will take you a long way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #103 May 7, 2007 Back in the day, crackers didn't run to the doctor for every little stabbing. Of course, you realize that you'll probably be on this years 10-way shirt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #104 May 7, 2007 I agree...14K and I only farted 11 times. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arlo 0 #105 May 7, 2007 Quote Do you guys need to take up arms, just in case? take up arms? in zhills? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #106 May 7, 2007 Quote Quote Do you guys need to take up arms, just in case? take up arms? in zhills? who do I have to talk to to join the militiaYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peggs82 0 #107 May 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Do you guys need to take up arms, just in case? take up arms? in zhills? who do I have to talk to to join the militia John Klueg....he'll be heading up the Zhills SWAT team.... look for him next to the BOMB SQUAD! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #108 May 7, 2007 All I can say is Karma is a bitch. I hope Salsa John is good at farming. This is a quote from a post he made in 2005. The link is below the quote: Quote the bleeding heart judges, politicians and lawyers who let these multiple repeat murderers, rapists, child molesters, spouse (SO) abusers back on the street to offend again should have to be held legally accountable for THEIR ACTIONS that result in harm to society. Make prison miserable, make the prisoners grow their own food, make them earn their keep. Consider the average cost to keep someone in prison (not to mention how expensive it is to keep someone on death row) is approx $50,000( a year)-added. Multiply that by the roughly 2,300,000 people in prison (according to straightdope.com) that comes to $115,000,000,000! What could we do with 115 billion? Universal healthcare for US citizens? I don't know but it would put a dent in something. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1699272#1699272Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #109 May 7, 2007 Tell me Randy's history of violence and I bet it doesn't end with someone gettig stabbed. do you really think John was so in fear of his life he was justified in using deadly force. He could have killed my brother. That is some fucked up shitYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #110 May 8, 2007 d00d! Aren't we all already carrying anyway???? ....after spending most of my life growing up as a redneck (which of course means I'm also violent and deserving of a shanking) I thought everyone in florida carried a gun!I always considered it quite a deterrent to crime! deadly force is only ever justified when in fear for one's life... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThighMan 5 #111 May 8, 2007 I have to add just one thing. The deputy didn't observe any of the stabbing. I got in the middle of it when Salsa John came around and said, "Randy attacked me." After that, it was cut and dry (bad pun but with what John said, it was all over).Airborne Blue Skies, No Wind Feet and Knees Together Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guppie01 0 #112 May 8, 2007 Quote deadly force is only ever justified when in fear for one's life... What about "Thou shalt not kill" ???? What happened to the LOOOOOOOVE people? g"Let's do something romantic this Saturday... how bout we bust out the restraints?" Raddest Ho this side of Jersey #1 - MISS YOU OMG, is she okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #113 May 8, 2007 Quote d00d! Aren't we all already carrying anyway???? ....after spending most of my life growing up as a redneck (which of course means I'm also violent and deserving of a shanking) I thought everyone in florida carried a gun!I always considered it quite a deterrent to crime! deadly force is only ever justified when in fear for one's life... OR IF SOMEONE MAKES A BAD COMMENT ABOUT YOUR SALSAhttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #114 May 8, 2007 Quote What about "Thou shalt not kill" ???? What happened to the LOOOOOOOVE people? Once they got passed the covet thy neighbors wife they said fuck it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guppie01 0 #115 May 8, 2007 Quote Quote What about "Thou shalt not kill" ???? What happened to the LOOOOOOOVE people? Once they got passed the covet thy neighbors wife they said fuck it! Oh fuck! LOL You're good!!!! g"Let's do something romantic this Saturday... how bout we bust out the restraints?" Raddest Ho this side of Jersey #1 - MISS YOU OMG, is she okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #116 May 8, 2007 Given that Florida is a concealed carry state, he's lucky that he wasn't bringing a knife to a gun fight. When I was DZM there, I knew of several jumpers who carried as a matter of habit. This idiot is lucky that he isn't on a slab right now with a tag on his toe. I had a couple of stalker types too when I was there. I got rid of them. One things for sure, when this douche gets out of jail. he's done in the skydiving business in any capacity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jheadley 0 #117 May 8, 2007 Quote I don't know man, good salsa will take you a long way. hell, I'll say it. His salsa was never that great. He seemed obsessed with it though. I always thought he was a little weird... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #118 May 8, 2007 Randy despite what people say about you I know you are still a kick ass dude who is chill. You work hard even though you profess to be a slacker. I think Randy's biggest infraction would be a beer line infraction.Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #119 May 8, 2007 Quote What about "Thou shalt not kill" ???? Mistranslated. It's actually "Thou shalt not wear a kilt." The Scots lobbied King James to mistranslate it.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #120 May 8, 2007 Quote Quote I don't know man, good salsa will take you a long way. hell, I'll say it. His salsa was never that great. He seemed obsessed with it though. I always thought he was a little weird... IAWTP. I had exactly one encounter with him, which ended up in email. I got the feeling even he knew there was something wrong with him. As for the noises that sound like apportioning some of the blame to the victim...when someone escalates a situation, that person is to blame. If Randy were the most volatile person in the world, it wouldn't matter. He didn't touch anyone, much less pull a knife and stab someone. Anyone who says differently needs to sit back and take some quiet time to reflect on what you're really saying. I guess I just find it hard to believe that some people are asking for "the other side of the story." Often enough, there isn't one. This is one of those times.If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #121 May 8, 2007 sky gods do not pay beer line violations... or so I've been told... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #122 May 8, 2007 Quote sky gods do not pay beer line violations... or so I've been told... Randy is a skygod?Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #123 May 8, 2007 Quote Given that Florida is a concealed carry state, he's lucky that he wasn't bringing a knife to a gun fight. As I posted in another thread in Speaker's Corner, John was a gun enthusiast, worked full time in the firearms safety field. The few times I talked with him, guns were a major topic of conversation. Despite his mistakes, he was smart enough not to pull a gun.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #124 May 8, 2007 Quote Despite his mistakes, he was smart enough not to pull a gun. You don't know that. If he snapped and was crazy enough to pull a knife and stab someone, I have to believe that he would have had no problem pulling a gun and shooting someone in the same situation. I would argue that the fact that he didn't have a gun on him at the time is the only reason Randy sustained a minor stab wound rather than a potentially major bullet wound.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #125 May 8, 2007 Quote As I posted in another thread in Speaker's Corner, John was a gun enthusiast, worked full time in the firearms safety field Where's that thread? I really need to reply to it in Speaker's Corner, coz that, right there, is gold!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
