airtwardo 7 #1 November 24, 2003 Turbines Have Ruined Aviation!! We must get rid of turbines. They are ruining aviation. We need to go back to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a switch from "OFF" to "START" and then remember to move it back to "ON" after a while. My PC is more difficult to start. Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not even allowed to do it. Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot and start whining louder. Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting. Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate the mind. Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's attention.There's nothing to fiddle with during the flight. Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round engines smell like God intended flying machines to smell. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #2 November 24, 2003 Someone please ban this user and lock this thread. This is an obvious personal attack on turbines. Unacceptable!! ..j/k... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #3 November 24, 2003 AMEN BROTHER! RADIALS RULE! -------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #4 November 24, 2003 you bad man! now go think about what you said! bad-bad-bad man! when they can build a radial engines that can get me to 14k in 7 min w/ air conditioning. speak up again, otherwise, settle down, and respect the missiles we ride to altitude, lest they spite you! Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #5 November 24, 2003 You know, this makes me want to go and jump the old t-bo tomorrow. Screw that super otter, i am jumping from the t-bo and thats final. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #6 November 24, 2003 uh huh. Tell us another one you turbine junkie!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #7 November 25, 2003 Reminds me of an article I read in ALPA not long ago. It was the story of this "Modern Pilot" that rode in the jump seat of a Conney. He was rather amazed at the myriad of dials, switches, and levers required in the cock pit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #8 November 25, 2003 That airtwardo, he's so funny May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #9 November 25, 2003 QuoteThat airtwardo, he's so funny *** ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 November 25, 2003 Ok SO I am picking up my brand new jumpsuit next week and it does not have a SINGLE oil spot on it.. this is WRONG... I NEED to go front float on the DC-3 at Eloy at the DZ.Com boogie..I am big.. I make a good air block for others coming out the door Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greybeard 0 #11 November 25, 2003 I've got a picture somewhere of my grandfather, in 1931, standing on the wooden raft like platform of an experimental helicopter. It was powered by a rotary engine, where-in the cylinders revolved around the crankshaft. All of the men in the photo are covered with slung oil. The craft actually hopped about eight feet of the ground and then slammed home! Those were the good ole days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #12 November 25, 2003 QuoteYou know, this makes me want to go and jump the old t-bo tomorrow. Screw that super otter, i am jumping from the t-bo and thats final. T-bo's,? Flat engine T-bo's? T-bo are for PUSSYS.The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #13 November 25, 2003 QuoteQuoteYou know, this makes me want to go and jump the old t-bo tomorrow. Screw that super otter, i am jumping from the t-bo and thats final. T-bo's,? Flat engine T-bo's? T-bo are for PUSSYS. *** Yeah! Errr Ahh... And here's a PIC of a REAL T-BO.. And another radial classic jump bird... As well as a "Hybred" with both "Round" & "Whinney" Power! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #14 November 25, 2003 Great Pics! Beech 18/C-45 Curtiss C-46/R5D Two of Jimmy Franklin's WACO UPF-7 with the jet engine strapped underneith. Catch Franklin's show if you ever get get the chance..He's AWESOME! 300+ MPH Biplane, and his kid Eric does a wing walking act on it! Saw him at three different airshows this summer. Oshkosh, St Louis and Wichita!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #15 November 25, 2003 Quoteand his kid Eric does a wing walking act on it! Saw him at three different airshows this summer. Oshkosh, St Louis and Wichita! *** Jimmy's son's name is Kyle...And he's about done wingwalking... he started doing shows as a pilot now! And if you were at Oshkosh... I was the spinny smoke guy under the Red-White & Blue Parachute!! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #16 November 25, 2003 Nah... just jump a Beech 18, and stand in the door as the people in front of you pull them selves up and fart around awhile. I'll be the guy standing well clear, then running and diving up into the door to keep the oil from getting on my lense. Heck, I might even man the fire extinguisher while I wait. it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #17 November 25, 2003 ACTUALLY I made quite a few jumps from a Beech 18 and from the DC-3 at Xenia... once upon a time. that was about 1976-77. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #18 November 25, 2003 Yeah.. the last of the piston 18's left Xenia this summer. I've got at least 75 and probally more like 100+ jumps out of them in the last few years. I loved manning the fire extinquisher after having the plane parked for a few weeks. "The plane is on fire!" "Nah.. its only the Beech starting" Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #19 November 25, 2003 We have one just to the south of us in Toledo WA.. and the very next time its clear enough on a saturday or a sunday...I plan on loading up 10 people from our DZ ( to escape the C-182 tandem slowdowns)... and drive down there to TRY to make an 8 way... yeah.. my counting IS that good.. but I saw how many ..uh bigways did NOT happen out of our Caravan we had all summer The owner is trying to sell it so I am hoping there is SOME clearing here in Western WA SOMETIME this winter...before he sells it. There cant be all that many still flying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lee03 0 #20 November 25, 2003 Yeah, your right, the kid's name is Kyle. Still an awesome show. Oshkosh was cool..loved it!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #21 November 25, 2003 QuoteACTUALLY I made quite a few jumps from a Beech 18 and from the DC-3 at Xenia... once upon a time. that was about 1976-77. Them were the days....when DC-3's were the Queens of the jump fleet. They could be ill tempered queens and blow a jug - and often would, usually right before takeoff on a sunset load, so you'd have to come taxiing back. But geez, they were lovely. They were so big and ROOMY. Everybody used to sit in each other's laps and you could lean back and snooze on the ride up. The lovely engine drone would send you right off to snoozeville. I appreciate the speed and reliability of turbos, but riding in an Otter is like being stuffed into a submarine with wings. A DC-3 was more like booking into a grand hotel. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #22 November 25, 2003 QuoteRound engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on the flight ahead. hehehe - love it. mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FeetFlyer 0 #23 November 25, 2003 Here is a real round one for ya. It's my DZs Antonov 2. When it's started there is no little clickity bang, there's a KABLAM!!! With lots and lots of smoke and no one dares to go near it when it is starting 'cause of the oil spraying from the engine. <> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites michaelflying 0 #24 November 25, 2003 huh confusedwww.skydivekzn.co.za Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GroundZero 0 #25 November 25, 2003 QuoteT-bo's,? Flat engine T-bo's? T-bo are for PUSSYS. --------------------------------------------- Woa, ya limp lil newbie... T-bones engines failed as fast as any round engine ( and probably sooner! ). It took real men to drive twinbo failed engines around the sky... when they fail, they usually throw metal parts (pistons and the like) through the cowling and many times into the fuselage... you ain't seen real failures til you saw a gso-480 come apart at 50 inches of manifold pressure! yehaa! the old days were great (thank god they're over!) Chris p.s. my super charged twinbo's would beat most super otters to 14000... but only for about a season or two if I was lucky, 12 minutes to 14000.... bring on the -28 otters, i'd race, (while the engine was still intact). Who you callin' pussy? hehehehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
wildblue 7 #16 November 25, 2003 Nah... just jump a Beech 18, and stand in the door as the people in front of you pull them selves up and fart around awhile. I'll be the guy standing well clear, then running and diving up into the door to keep the oil from getting on my lense. Heck, I might even man the fire extinguisher while I wait. it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #17 November 25, 2003 ACTUALLY I made quite a few jumps from a Beech 18 and from the DC-3 at Xenia... once upon a time. that was about 1976-77. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #18 November 25, 2003 Yeah.. the last of the piston 18's left Xenia this summer. I've got at least 75 and probally more like 100+ jumps out of them in the last few years. I loved manning the fire extinquisher after having the plane parked for a few weeks. "The plane is on fire!" "Nah.. its only the Beech starting" Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 November 25, 2003 We have one just to the south of us in Toledo WA.. and the very next time its clear enough on a saturday or a sunday...I plan on loading up 10 people from our DZ ( to escape the C-182 tandem slowdowns)... and drive down there to TRY to make an 8 way... yeah.. my counting IS that good.. but I saw how many ..uh bigways did NOT happen out of our Caravan we had all summer The owner is trying to sell it so I am hoping there is SOME clearing here in Western WA SOMETIME this winter...before he sells it. There cant be all that many still flying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #20 November 25, 2003 Yeah, your right, the kid's name is Kyle. Still an awesome show. Oshkosh was cool..loved it!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #21 November 25, 2003 QuoteACTUALLY I made quite a few jumps from a Beech 18 and from the DC-3 at Xenia... once upon a time. that was about 1976-77. Them were the days....when DC-3's were the Queens of the jump fleet. They could be ill tempered queens and blow a jug - and often would, usually right before takeoff on a sunset load, so you'd have to come taxiing back. But geez, they were lovely. They were so big and ROOMY. Everybody used to sit in each other's laps and you could lean back and snooze on the ride up. The lovely engine drone would send you right off to snoozeville. I appreciate the speed and reliability of turbos, but riding in an Otter is like being stuffed into a submarine with wings. A DC-3 was more like booking into a grand hotel. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #22 November 25, 2003 QuoteRound engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on the flight ahead. hehehe - love it. mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeetFlyer 0 #23 November 25, 2003 Here is a real round one for ya. It's my DZs Antonov 2. When it's started there is no little clickity bang, there's a KABLAM!!! With lots and lots of smoke and no one dares to go near it when it is starting 'cause of the oil spraying from the engine. <> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelflying 0 #24 November 25, 2003 huh confusedwww.skydivekzn.co.za Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #25 November 25, 2003 QuoteT-bo's,? Flat engine T-bo's? T-bo are for PUSSYS. --------------------------------------------- Woa, ya limp lil newbie... T-bones engines failed as fast as any round engine ( and probably sooner! ). It took real men to drive twinbo failed engines around the sky... when they fail, they usually throw metal parts (pistons and the like) through the cowling and many times into the fuselage... you ain't seen real failures til you saw a gso-480 come apart at 50 inches of manifold pressure! yehaa! the old days were great (thank god they're over!) Chris p.s. my super charged twinbo's would beat most super otters to 14000... but only for about a season or two if I was lucky, 12 minutes to 14000.... bring on the -28 otters, i'd race, (while the engine was still intact). Who you callin' pussy? hehehehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
