katzurki 0 #1 November 10, 2006 Are there any designs that allow for toggle release in skydiving? Except hookknives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #2 November 10, 2006 There are plenty of them depending on how you hook up the brake lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katzurki 0 #3 November 10, 2006 Let me clarify by saying, "intentional toggle release"... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #4 November 10, 2006 What for ? You could cut off the retaining ring and put a snap link of some kind, but that's only going to get it off the riser, what about the slider? What are you hoping to fix or prevent? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katzurki 0 #5 November 10, 2006 An unnecessary cutaway and a possible loss of a $1300+ main. I am thinking more along the lines of this, but way, way less easily released. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #6 November 10, 2006 QuoteIf the pin slumps enough it may result in an inadvertent and premature release of the brake line from the toggle. Yeah, that would really blow if it happened at around 100 feet... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fast 0 #7 November 10, 2006 QuoteAn unnecessary cutaway and a possible loss of a $1300+ main. I am thinking more along the lines of this, but way, way less easily released. An unnecessary cutaway from what? You didn't really answer his question. If you are talking about cutting away from one brake that will and one brake that wont release, there are much simpler options for that (and that doesn't even count taking more care in stowing and unstowing your brakes) So is that what you're talking about?~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brianfry713 0 #8 November 10, 2006 WLO stands for What Line Over. The line release toggles were created for slider up BASE jumping, where the toggles are routed like on a skydiving rig. On a slider down/off jump, the brake lines are not routed through the slider or the ring on the riser, so that if you have a line over you can throw the toggle to attempt to clear the line over. If you get a line over slider up, you have either the option of using a hook knife, or release the line by pulling on the tab on a WLO or similar toggle. Hopefully that will clear the line over. In a BASE jump, cutting away is not usually an option until you're on the ground. On a skydive, the OP is suggesting that using a WLO toggle to release the line might make cutting away from some lineovers unnecessary.BASE 1224, Senior Parachute Rigger, CPL ASEL IA, AGI, IGI USPA Coach & UPT Tandem Instructor, PRO, Altimaster Field Support Representative Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #9 November 10, 2006 WLO stands for What Line Over. The toggles are designed to be chopped in the BASE environment in case you packed a line over and are now in an extremely bad position. In skydiving just chop it with a line over and follow your gear. Mid air is not a place that you should be attempting rigging work at.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katzurki 0 #10 November 11, 2006 No. I don't want to trust my reserve any more than is necessary, and I am confident I can land with rears (although I never did that with the toggles fully released and trailing behind... not sure how big a difference it makes, probably fairly significant since the tail is totally unrestricted). I do carry a hook-knife, but replacing a steering line is not that much easier than a repack... (in the field I mean). I think I will try to sew something together and see if I can make it work, I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leapdog 0 #11 November 13, 2006 WLO toggles would work but only on brake line that were set to length with a finger trap so that a small loop to accomodate the pin on the toggle release was made. You'll need a rigger who also understand base and exactly why you want to use WLO toggles to help with this. I am assuming that you want to use these toggles the even that you get a line over on your skydiving canopy and want to clear it instead of chopping. Some skydiving mains land ok with rears and some don't. the main you want to have the WLO toggles on would have to be evaluated (by you) to determine if this is a good idea. I'm pretty sure if you untwist your brake lines after every five jumps like recommended then whether or not the brake line is trailing or still attached to a toggle won't make much difference, if at all, when landing on rears. That is if the lines have the bow in them at fll flight like they are supposed to. this is the reason for untwisting them, to keep the right amount of bow at full flight.. Keep in mind that those toggles will have to be inspected at each pack job to ensure the release pin is still set well so that they don't release on opening or while flaring or something. I'm not sure of the forces that would or would not effect the toggle but I think there is a reason that they aren't offered with skydiving rigs as an option. opening foces may be one of them. manufacturing cost may be another. Hope I helped. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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justinb138 0 #2 November 10, 2006 There are plenty of them depending on how you hook up the brake lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #3 November 10, 2006 Let me clarify by saying, "intentional toggle release"... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #4 November 10, 2006 What for ? You could cut off the retaining ring and put a snap link of some kind, but that's only going to get it off the riser, what about the slider? What are you hoping to fix or prevent? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #5 November 10, 2006 An unnecessary cutaway and a possible loss of a $1300+ main. I am thinking more along the lines of this, but way, way less easily released. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #6 November 10, 2006 QuoteIf the pin slumps enough it may result in an inadvertent and premature release of the brake line from the toggle. Yeah, that would really blow if it happened at around 100 feet... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #7 November 10, 2006 QuoteAn unnecessary cutaway and a possible loss of a $1300+ main. I am thinking more along the lines of this, but way, way less easily released. An unnecessary cutaway from what? You didn't really answer his question. If you are talking about cutting away from one brake that will and one brake that wont release, there are much simpler options for that (and that doesn't even count taking more care in stowing and unstowing your brakes) So is that what you're talking about?~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianfry713 0 #8 November 10, 2006 WLO stands for What Line Over. The line release toggles were created for slider up BASE jumping, where the toggles are routed like on a skydiving rig. On a slider down/off jump, the brake lines are not routed through the slider or the ring on the riser, so that if you have a line over you can throw the toggle to attempt to clear the line over. If you get a line over slider up, you have either the option of using a hook knife, or release the line by pulling on the tab on a WLO or similar toggle. Hopefully that will clear the line over. In a BASE jump, cutting away is not usually an option until you're on the ground. On a skydive, the OP is suggesting that using a WLO toggle to release the line might make cutting away from some lineovers unnecessary.BASE 1224, Senior Parachute Rigger, CPL ASEL IA, AGI, IGI USPA Coach & UPT Tandem Instructor, PRO, Altimaster Field Support Representative Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #9 November 10, 2006 WLO stands for What Line Over. The toggles are designed to be chopped in the BASE environment in case you packed a line over and are now in an extremely bad position. In skydiving just chop it with a line over and follow your gear. Mid air is not a place that you should be attempting rigging work at.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #10 November 11, 2006 No. I don't want to trust my reserve any more than is necessary, and I am confident I can land with rears (although I never did that with the toggles fully released and trailing behind... not sure how big a difference it makes, probably fairly significant since the tail is totally unrestricted). I do carry a hook-knife, but replacing a steering line is not that much easier than a repack... (in the field I mean). I think I will try to sew something together and see if I can make it work, I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leapdog 0 #11 November 13, 2006 WLO toggles would work but only on brake line that were set to length with a finger trap so that a small loop to accomodate the pin on the toggle release was made. You'll need a rigger who also understand base and exactly why you want to use WLO toggles to help with this. I am assuming that you want to use these toggles the even that you get a line over on your skydiving canopy and want to clear it instead of chopping. Some skydiving mains land ok with rears and some don't. the main you want to have the WLO toggles on would have to be evaluated (by you) to determine if this is a good idea. I'm pretty sure if you untwist your brake lines after every five jumps like recommended then whether or not the brake line is trailing or still attached to a toggle won't make much difference, if at all, when landing on rears. That is if the lines have the bow in them at fll flight like they are supposed to. this is the reason for untwisting them, to keep the right amount of bow at full flight.. Keep in mind that those toggles will have to be inspected at each pack job to ensure the release pin is still set well so that they don't release on opening or while flaring or something. I'm not sure of the forces that would or would not effect the toggle but I think there is a reason that they aren't offered with skydiving rigs as an option. opening foces may be one of them. manufacturing cost may be another. Hope I helped. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
