joelivewire 0 #1 September 9, 2009 im a big guy 215lbs 5' 10" tall muscular build and am in aff training.im Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #2 September 9, 2009 Leave everything you read here at home. Listen to your instructors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrDree 0 #3 September 9, 2009 All I can say is that back and front flips are a looooot of fun! "One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching." Dudeist Skydiver #101 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sapphire 0 #4 September 9, 2009 I was worried about doing them... I wanted them to be perfect - I'm sorta weird like that! However, after I tried the first one, that was FAR from perfect btw, I realized how FUN they are... and when that happened - they suddenly got better! Moral of the story: Don't stress 'em - RELAX - have fun - listen to your instructor - have FUN - RELAX! "One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar" ~ Helen Keller Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites joelivewire 0 #5 September 9, 2009 thanks guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GLIDEANGLE 1 #6 September 9, 2009 SMILE, BREATHE, RELAX. The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pgassett 0 #7 September 9, 2009 If you are a swimmer, it is a lot like doing a front or back sommersault in a swimming pool. Just think it and tuck. It is fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites joelivewire 0 #8 September 9, 2009 cool im feeling better already Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mellow 0 #9 September 10, 2009 take this with a grain of salt and listen to your instructors first and foremost......... for me, completing the front and back loop, and finishing on heading, was about staying tucked longer, and then sort of kicking out at the end. i mistakenly felt that the initial thrust would be enough to carry me all the way around, but the air, as you are falling at 120mph changes things.... good luck, and have fun. flips are super fun for me still.Jennifer don't ask yourself what the world needs, ask yourself what makes you come alive. and then go do that, because what the world needs is people that come alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nutz 0 #10 September 10, 2009 QuoteLeave everything you read here at home. Listen to your instructors. +1 "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeJD 0 #11 September 10, 2009 Agree that there's no point you trying to 'stay ahead' with stuff like this. Your instructor should give you an adequate briefing at the appropriate time. Also, it's probably worth mentioning that these maneouvres are often used with students to make them unstable and demonstrate how to recover from that instability. If your front/ backloop is perfect first time, you might miss out on a valuable lesson! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites joelivewire 0 #12 September 10, 2009 ok piont well taken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites squirrelgirl 0 #13 September 10, 2009 Hi Joe I was trying to do the same thing for AFF and it wasn't necessary. Very nervous about flipping, but it turned out to be no bigger deal than any other thing I'd learned. Instructors will help you and you'll be a-okay! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robskydiv 0 #14 September 16, 2009 Hey Joe, solos are some of the funnest jumps. If I can't find someone to jump with, I'll do a solo and can't resist doing some flips. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shermanator 4 #15 September 16, 2009 http://skydiveelsinore.com/JumpStart/index.htmlCLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slcooper 0 #16 September 16, 2009 Just did this about a month ago, TONS OF FUN!!!! For the front flip you can practice by forcefully throwing your upper body toward your toes. For back flips, bring both of your knees forcefully to your chest (just one at a time for practicing on the ground). You WILL become unstable and this is the whole point. After you get back to your belly you will rock for a couple of seconds until your body stabilizes.Why would anyone jump out of a perfectly good airplane? Cause the door was open! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ufk22 33 #17 September 17, 2009 barral rolls; bring in both your arm and leg (on the same side), as you pass 90 degrees, extend that arm and leg while bringing in the oposites, as you pass 270 get back into your arch. front flip; pull in both arms as you bend at the waist, keep your legs out, then as you're going onto your back extend your arms as you pull your knees/legs in. Extend your legs again as you pass head-up/270 degree portion of the flip and get back into your arch. back flip; pull your knees into your chest as you extend your arms, pushing down with your arms as you start to rotate, then when you're on your back extend your legs. Think about keeping your arms parallel to the ground through the whole flip, pushing all the way around as your body rotates. The biggest mistakes I see from students on these manuvers is not finishing the move, i.e. getting the first half of the flip and then getting stuck on your back. As has been said, talk to your instructor about this, but as I hadn't seen anyone directly reply, I thought I'd pass this along. This is how I teach it.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites llloyd 0 #18 September 18, 2009 best thing about the backflip is you're not actually trying to do a perfect backflip. the point is to get unstable so the worse you do, the better IFKWIM... just lift your legs as the instructor will tell you, and over you'll go. then ARCH... then put it on youtube... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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skybytch 273 #2 September 9, 2009 Leave everything you read here at home. Listen to your instructors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrDree 0 #3 September 9, 2009 All I can say is that back and front flips are a looooot of fun! "One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching." Dudeist Skydiver #101 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sapphire 0 #4 September 9, 2009 I was worried about doing them... I wanted them to be perfect - I'm sorta weird like that! However, after I tried the first one, that was FAR from perfect btw, I realized how FUN they are... and when that happened - they suddenly got better! Moral of the story: Don't stress 'em - RELAX - have fun - listen to your instructor - have FUN - RELAX! "One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar" ~ Helen Keller Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joelivewire 0 #5 September 9, 2009 thanks guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLIDEANGLE 1 #6 September 9, 2009 SMILE, BREATHE, RELAX. The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pgassett 0 #7 September 9, 2009 If you are a swimmer, it is a lot like doing a front or back sommersault in a swimming pool. Just think it and tuck. It is fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joelivewire 0 #8 September 9, 2009 cool im feeling better already Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mellow 0 #9 September 10, 2009 take this with a grain of salt and listen to your instructors first and foremost......... for me, completing the front and back loop, and finishing on heading, was about staying tucked longer, and then sort of kicking out at the end. i mistakenly felt that the initial thrust would be enough to carry me all the way around, but the air, as you are falling at 120mph changes things.... good luck, and have fun. flips are super fun for me still.Jennifer don't ask yourself what the world needs, ask yourself what makes you come alive. and then go do that, because what the world needs is people that come alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #10 September 10, 2009 QuoteLeave everything you read here at home. Listen to your instructors. +1 "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #11 September 10, 2009 Agree that there's no point you trying to 'stay ahead' with stuff like this. Your instructor should give you an adequate briefing at the appropriate time. Also, it's probably worth mentioning that these maneouvres are often used with students to make them unstable and demonstrate how to recover from that instability. If your front/ backloop is perfect first time, you might miss out on a valuable lesson! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joelivewire 0 #12 September 10, 2009 ok piont well taken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrelgirl 0 #13 September 10, 2009 Hi Joe I was trying to do the same thing for AFF and it wasn't necessary. Very nervous about flipping, but it turned out to be no bigger deal than any other thing I'd learned. Instructors will help you and you'll be a-okay! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robskydiv 0 #14 September 16, 2009 Hey Joe, solos are some of the funnest jumps. If I can't find someone to jump with, I'll do a solo and can't resist doing some flips. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #15 September 16, 2009 http://skydiveelsinore.com/JumpStart/index.htmlCLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slcooper 0 #16 September 16, 2009 Just did this about a month ago, TONS OF FUN!!!! For the front flip you can practice by forcefully throwing your upper body toward your toes. For back flips, bring both of your knees forcefully to your chest (just one at a time for practicing on the ground). You WILL become unstable and this is the whole point. After you get back to your belly you will rock for a couple of seconds until your body stabilizes.Why would anyone jump out of a perfectly good airplane? Cause the door was open! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #17 September 17, 2009 barral rolls; bring in both your arm and leg (on the same side), as you pass 90 degrees, extend that arm and leg while bringing in the oposites, as you pass 270 get back into your arch. front flip; pull in both arms as you bend at the waist, keep your legs out, then as you're going onto your back extend your arms as you pull your knees/legs in. Extend your legs again as you pass head-up/270 degree portion of the flip and get back into your arch. back flip; pull your knees into your chest as you extend your arms, pushing down with your arms as you start to rotate, then when you're on your back extend your legs. Think about keeping your arms parallel to the ground through the whole flip, pushing all the way around as your body rotates. The biggest mistakes I see from students on these manuvers is not finishing the move, i.e. getting the first half of the flip and then getting stuck on your back. As has been said, talk to your instructor about this, but as I hadn't seen anyone directly reply, I thought I'd pass this along. This is how I teach it.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
llloyd 0 #18 September 18, 2009 best thing about the backflip is you're not actually trying to do a perfect backflip. the point is to get unstable so the worse you do, the better IFKWIM... just lift your legs as the instructor will tell you, and over you'll go. then ARCH... then put it on youtube... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
