MikeJD 0 #76 November 28, 2006 Quote Matt Damon IMO was the wrong person to play the part of Bourne.The Bourne series books were done an injustice with the way they wrote the film and with casting Matt D. as Bourne. I really like both Bourne films (although I think they could have held the camera just a little bit steadier for 'Supremacy' and because of Matt Damon. But I hadn't read the books, and I hear they're very loose adaptations. I tried to read The Bourne Supremacy subsequently and I only managed a few pages because I found Ludlum's overwrought writing style pretty annoying. Anybody else read the books? Should I try again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,559 #77 November 28, 2006 QuoteI tried to read The Bourne Supremacy subsequently and I only managed a few pages because I found Ludlum's overwrought writing style pretty annoying. Anybody else read the books? Should I try again? I haven't read the Bourne books but I did find the Ludlum books I have read to be an absolute mission to get through. Decent enough plots but a slow, plodding writing style. I feel the same way about James Patterson and he's hugely popular tooDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #78 November 28, 2006 I thought the Bourne Books were an easy read. I agree that the movies were good but MD was not the best choice for a lead. I still liked them. As a side about books and movies I heard yesterday they are going to make Dan Brown's "Angels and Demons" into a move.. Set before the Davinci Code so i guess it will be a PreQuel Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #79 November 28, 2006 QuoteI heard yesterday they are going to make Dan Brown's "Angels and Demons" into a movie.. Ker-ching! It's all about the market these days, isn't it? Like when the Da Vinci Code (the book) took off, suddenly you couldn't find anything in bookshops that didn't have a similar title and cover art. Sorry, getting off-topic... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #80 November 28, 2006 I was arguing about Daniel Craigs' age with a co-worker. She claimed he was late 20s early 30s I claimed he was my age. I won! born in 68 (me 67). But I did find this... Bond 22 working title I'm going to assume. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #81 November 28, 2006 QuoteI was arguing about Daniel Craigs' age with a co-worker. She claimed he was late 20s early 30s I claimed he was my age. I won! born in 68 (me 67). But I did find this... Bond 22 working title I'm going to assume. The youngest actor to debut as Bond was George Lazenby who was 30 when On Her Majesty's Secret Service premiered. The oldest was Roger Moore who was 46 when Live and Let Die premiered.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freekflyguy 0 #82 November 29, 2006 Angels and Demons is not related to DVC other than it involves the main central character. IMHO A&D is the better of the two books.It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #83 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuotethings that were cool - The whole heart thing - that was pretty cool. That he was willing to give his whole heart to her. Yeah... I agree that was very sweet. But... then to be betrayed and have his heart broken and beome bitter.... (still shouldn'ta called her a Bitch) But... have to agree with you Turtle. "The whole heart thing" nice touch. Yea, I thought it was extremly realistic in that regardWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #84 November 29, 2006 QuoteThe opening credits were a departure from the past, and therefore comparing them to the other movies is apples-to-oranges. I did like them, as they seemed a nod to the 1960s roots of the CR storyline. Although the Audioslave opening song is awesome. And...I will never buy real estate in Venice. I liked the way they got a four story house to sink into 15ft of water, very impressive trick thatWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #85 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteSaw it a few days ago. Personally - there were a few things missing. 1 - Why was he just now getting his "00#"? 2 - Where the hell was "Q"? 3 - Where were the chicks swimming around for the intro? 4 - WTF were the cheesy assed bullshit cartoons - all I could see was some cheap rendition of a used up old "B" movie. things that were cool - The whole heart thing - that was pretty cool. That's about it. You seem to have missed the entire point this movie is making. Over the course of the Bond series, it has become a cliche, hack, caricature of itself; resembling nothing even remotely found in the original novels. Further, the Bond of the 70, 80 and 90s simply doesn't fit into the world we live in today. When Austin Powers skewered the Bond series it was right on target and I'm surprised it took the Bond people so long to figure it out. Casino Royal is a new beginning of a new Bond series. Bond is actually a human that survives due to his intelligence, wits and fists not some crap assed wrist watch with a freekin' laser beam in it. I agree, I'd also like to see some of the terrible product placement dropped even further so it doesn't resemble a 2.5 hour comercial. Although this one was far better than the last as far as that goes.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #86 November 29, 2006 QuoteI'd also like to see some of the terrible product placement dropped even further so it doesn't resemble a 2.5 hour comercial. Although this one was far better than the last as far as that goes. Yeah, but I hope Sony Ericsson stumped up a large part of the budget. I've never known so many plot points requiring closeups of mobile phones! Oh, and I almost laughed out loud when Vesper asked Bond directly what make his watch was. 'Rolex?' 'Omega'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Slappie 9 #87 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'd also like to see some of the terrible product placement dropped even further so it doesn't resemble a 2.5 hour comercial. Although this one was far better than the last as far as that goes. Yeah, but I hope Sony Ericsson stumped up a large part of the budget. I've never known so many plot points requiring closeups of mobile phones! Oh, and I almost laughed out loud when Vesper asked Bond directly what make his watch was. 'Rolex?' 'Omega'. I think Ford has as large a part in the movie as did Sony. They showcased 3 if not more of their car lines. Granted it was in Europe. Ford - Modena Aston Martin - DB9-S Jaguar - too numerous to list Product placement is a huge big business in Hollywood now. Get used to it. As a sidenote on the subject of PP in entertainment. Would you enjoy watching TV without the 30sec commercials? In place of them the advertisers would have major PP instead. It's something being batted around in the industry to compete with the I-net for entertainment / advertising dollars. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #88 November 29, 2006 wow. just saw it last night. This is a much more emotionally intense drama than the other Bond films. In Ian Fleming's books you get to see what Bond is thinking, what he's worrying about, etc. This movie was more like the books in that way. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #89 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'd also like to see some of the terrible product placement dropped even further so it doesn't resemble a 2.5 hour comercial. Although this one was far better than the last as far as that goes. Yeah, but I hope Sony Ericsson stumped up a large part of the budget. I've never known so many plot points requiring closeups of mobile phones! Oh, and I almost laughed out loud when Vesper asked Bond directly what make his watch was. 'Rolex?' 'Omega'. I think Ford has as large a part in the movie as did Sony. They showcased 3 if not more of their car lines. Granted it was in Europe. Ford - Modena Aston Martin - DB9-S Jaguar - too numerous to list Product placement is a huge big business in Hollywood now. Get used to it. As a sidenote on the subject of PP in entertainment. Would you enjoy watching TV without the 30sec commercials? In place of them the advertisers would have major PP instead. It's something being batted around in the industry to compete with the I-net for entertainment / advertising dollars. Whoever put Bond in a bloody Ford needs to be shot! Bloody embarrasingWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Slappie 9 #90 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'd also like to see some of the terrible product placement dropped even further so it doesn't resemble a 2.5 hour comercial. Although this one was far better than the last as far as that goes. Yeah, but I hope Sony Ericsson stumped up a large part of the budget. I've never known so many plot points requiring closeups of mobile phones! Oh, and I almost laughed out loud when Vesper asked Bond directly what make his watch was. 'Rolex?' 'Omega'. I think Ford has as large a part in the movie as did Sony. They showcased 3 if not more of their car lines. Granted it was in Europe. Ford - Modena Aston Martin - DB9-S Jaguar - too numerous to list Product placement is a huge big business in Hollywood now. Get used to it. As a side note on the subject of PP in entertainment. Would you enjoy watching TV without the 30sec commercials? In place of them the advertisers would have major PP instead. It's something being batted around in the industry to compete with the I-net for entertainment / advertising dollars. Whoever put Bond in a bloody Ford needs to be shot! Bloody embarrasing Ford did when they bought Aston Martin. Seriously it's the first car he drives in the movie. He lands in the Bahamas and drives a fucking Ford to the Resort. The Ford emblem probably got more screen time then some of the supporting actors. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #91 November 29, 2006 It was so bad that there were people in the audiance that were groaning and others giggled! That should have never of happened. Terrible.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #92 November 29, 2006 QuoteIt was so bad that there were people in the audiance that were groaning and others giggled! That should have never of happened. Terrible. I think it was hilarious...a nod to the sense of humor of the writers...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #93 November 29, 2006 The most cringworthy moment of mordern cinemagraphic history, worse than anything in Borat!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #94 November 29, 2006 QuoteThe most cringworthy moment of mordern cinemagraphic history, worse than anything in Borat!OH, come on. I kinda had the feeling that this was a young Bond, still a little rough around the edges & not yet used to the jet-set lifestyle he would lead later on. Remember that in this film he had only just received his Double-O status. Also remember that scene in the hotel room where Vesper gives him a tux/dinner jacket that was custom-tailored & of better quality than the one he had picked out. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #95 November 29, 2006 QuoteIMHO A&D is the better of the two books. A&D was very good... until the very end with the whole helicopter thing. While I enjoyed readin the book, that left a really bad last impression. Re. the Bourne movies: they have very little to do with the books if you ask me.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #96 November 29, 2006 QuoteThe most cringworthy moment of mordern cinemagraphic history, worse than anything in Borat! Worse than the nekkid scene? That's a stretch...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #97 November 29, 2006 Oh, and here is the quote from Fleming's book Casino Royale, in which Bond describes how to make that special martini he later called a "Vesper." ----- 'A dry martini,' he said. 'One. In a deep champagne goblet.' 'Oui, monsieur.' 'Just a moment. Three measures of Gordon's, one of vodka, half a measure of Kina Lillet. Shake it very well until it's ice-cold, then add a large thin slice of lemon-peel. Got it?' 'Certainly, monsieur.' The barman seemed pleased with the idea. 'Gosh, that's certainly a drink,' said Leiter. Bond laughed. 'When I'm . . . er . . . concentrating,' he explained, 'I never have more than one drink before dinner. But I do like that one to be large and very strong and very cold and very well-made. I hate small portions of anything, particularly when they taste bad. This drink's my own invention. I'm going to patent it when I can think of a good name.' ---- Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Slappie 9 #98 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt was so bad that there were people in the audiance that were groaning and others giggled! That should have never of happened. Terrible. I think it was hilarious...a nod to the sense of humor of the writers... There was no humor from the writers it was all money driven. The screenplay probably read: Bond Bond Not: Bond Ford Ford Ford Ford Bond "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #99 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe most cringworthy moment of mordern cinemagraphic history, worse than anything in Borat!OH, come on. I kinda had the feeling that this was a young Bond, still a little rough around the edges & not yet used to the jet-set lifestyle he would lead later on. Remember that in this film he had only just received his Double-O status. Also remember that scene in the hotel room where Vesper gives him a tux/dinner jacket that was custom-tailored & of better quality than the one he had picked out. Yea, that was a great scene.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeJD 0 #100 November 29, 2006 QuoteAs a sidenote on the subject of PP in entertainment. Would you enjoy watching TV without the 30sec commercials? In place of them the advertisers would have major PP instead. It's something being batted around in the industry to compete with the I-net for entertainment / advertising dollars. Give me the 'honest' ad breaks any day. Yep, they're annoying - but there's something about product placement in films and TV that's really insulting to the audience's intelligence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Slappie 9 #87 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'd also like to see some of the terrible product placement dropped even further so it doesn't resemble a 2.5 hour comercial. Although this one was far better than the last as far as that goes. Yeah, but I hope Sony Ericsson stumped up a large part of the budget. I've never known so many plot points requiring closeups of mobile phones! Oh, and I almost laughed out loud when Vesper asked Bond directly what make his watch was. 'Rolex?' 'Omega'. I think Ford has as large a part in the movie as did Sony. They showcased 3 if not more of their car lines. Granted it was in Europe. Ford - Modena Aston Martin - DB9-S Jaguar - too numerous to list Product placement is a huge big business in Hollywood now. Get used to it. As a sidenote on the subject of PP in entertainment. Would you enjoy watching TV without the 30sec commercials? In place of them the advertisers would have major PP instead. It's something being batted around in the industry to compete with the I-net for entertainment / advertising dollars. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #88 November 29, 2006 wow. just saw it last night. This is a much more emotionally intense drama than the other Bond films. In Ian Fleming's books you get to see what Bond is thinking, what he's worrying about, etc. This movie was more like the books in that way. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #89 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'd also like to see some of the terrible product placement dropped even further so it doesn't resemble a 2.5 hour comercial. Although this one was far better than the last as far as that goes. Yeah, but I hope Sony Ericsson stumped up a large part of the budget. I've never known so many plot points requiring closeups of mobile phones! Oh, and I almost laughed out loud when Vesper asked Bond directly what make his watch was. 'Rolex?' 'Omega'. I think Ford has as large a part in the movie as did Sony. They showcased 3 if not more of their car lines. Granted it was in Europe. Ford - Modena Aston Martin - DB9-S Jaguar - too numerous to list Product placement is a huge big business in Hollywood now. Get used to it. As a sidenote on the subject of PP in entertainment. Would you enjoy watching TV without the 30sec commercials? In place of them the advertisers would have major PP instead. It's something being batted around in the industry to compete with the I-net for entertainment / advertising dollars. Whoever put Bond in a bloody Ford needs to be shot! Bloody embarrasingWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #90 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'd also like to see some of the terrible product placement dropped even further so it doesn't resemble a 2.5 hour comercial. Although this one was far better than the last as far as that goes. Yeah, but I hope Sony Ericsson stumped up a large part of the budget. I've never known so many plot points requiring closeups of mobile phones! Oh, and I almost laughed out loud when Vesper asked Bond directly what make his watch was. 'Rolex?' 'Omega'. I think Ford has as large a part in the movie as did Sony. They showcased 3 if not more of their car lines. Granted it was in Europe. Ford - Modena Aston Martin - DB9-S Jaguar - too numerous to list Product placement is a huge big business in Hollywood now. Get used to it. As a side note on the subject of PP in entertainment. Would you enjoy watching TV without the 30sec commercials? In place of them the advertisers would have major PP instead. It's something being batted around in the industry to compete with the I-net for entertainment / advertising dollars. Whoever put Bond in a bloody Ford needs to be shot! Bloody embarrasing Ford did when they bought Aston Martin. Seriously it's the first car he drives in the movie. He lands in the Bahamas and drives a fucking Ford to the Resort. The Ford emblem probably got more screen time then some of the supporting actors. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #91 November 29, 2006 It was so bad that there were people in the audiance that were groaning and others giggled! That should have never of happened. Terrible.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #92 November 29, 2006 QuoteIt was so bad that there were people in the audiance that were groaning and others giggled! That should have never of happened. Terrible. I think it was hilarious...a nod to the sense of humor of the writers...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #93 November 29, 2006 The most cringworthy moment of mordern cinemagraphic history, worse than anything in Borat!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #94 November 29, 2006 QuoteThe most cringworthy moment of mordern cinemagraphic history, worse than anything in Borat!OH, come on. I kinda had the feeling that this was a young Bond, still a little rough around the edges & not yet used to the jet-set lifestyle he would lead later on. Remember that in this film he had only just received his Double-O status. Also remember that scene in the hotel room where Vesper gives him a tux/dinner jacket that was custom-tailored & of better quality than the one he had picked out. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #95 November 29, 2006 QuoteIMHO A&D is the better of the two books. A&D was very good... until the very end with the whole helicopter thing. While I enjoyed readin the book, that left a really bad last impression. Re. the Bourne movies: they have very little to do with the books if you ask me.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #96 November 29, 2006 QuoteThe most cringworthy moment of mordern cinemagraphic history, worse than anything in Borat! Worse than the nekkid scene? That's a stretch...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #97 November 29, 2006 Oh, and here is the quote from Fleming's book Casino Royale, in which Bond describes how to make that special martini he later called a "Vesper." ----- 'A dry martini,' he said. 'One. In a deep champagne goblet.' 'Oui, monsieur.' 'Just a moment. Three measures of Gordon's, one of vodka, half a measure of Kina Lillet. Shake it very well until it's ice-cold, then add a large thin slice of lemon-peel. Got it?' 'Certainly, monsieur.' The barman seemed pleased with the idea. 'Gosh, that's certainly a drink,' said Leiter. Bond laughed. 'When I'm . . . er . . . concentrating,' he explained, 'I never have more than one drink before dinner. But I do like that one to be large and very strong and very cold and very well-made. I hate small portions of anything, particularly when they taste bad. This drink's my own invention. I'm going to patent it when I can think of a good name.' ---- Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #98 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt was so bad that there were people in the audiance that were groaning and others giggled! That should have never of happened. Terrible. I think it was hilarious...a nod to the sense of humor of the writers... There was no humor from the writers it was all money driven. The screenplay probably read: Bond Bond Not: Bond Ford Ford Ford Ford Bond "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #99 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe most cringworthy moment of mordern cinemagraphic history, worse than anything in Borat!OH, come on. I kinda had the feeling that this was a young Bond, still a little rough around the edges & not yet used to the jet-set lifestyle he would lead later on. Remember that in this film he had only just received his Double-O status. Also remember that scene in the hotel room where Vesper gives him a tux/dinner jacket that was custom-tailored & of better quality than the one he had picked out. Yea, that was a great scene.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #100 November 29, 2006 QuoteAs a sidenote on the subject of PP in entertainment. Would you enjoy watching TV without the 30sec commercials? In place of them the advertisers would have major PP instead. It's something being batted around in the industry to compete with the I-net for entertainment / advertising dollars. Give me the 'honest' ad breaks any day. Yep, they're annoying - but there's something about product placement in films and TV that's really insulting to the audience's intelligence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
