Michele 1 #51 February 8, 2007 QuoteI wonder if the baby girl was with her mom when this happened The baby, Dannilynn Hope, was in the Bahamas apparently when Anna passed away. As for your contention that she probably won't know it happened, the baby will indeed know. She will grow up, knowing that both her brother and her mother passed away within months of both her birth and their deaths. She will never know the sound of the heartbeat she listened to for her comfort and when she was in the womb. She will always feel something is missing...always. She will know. And it will have an effect. The baby is NOT better off. For those who would laugh: Anna was a human being; she didn't live the way, perhaps, you or I would, but that doesn't make her less of a human without the same feelings and needs and wants that you and I have. She is the same as us; and if you can't see the connection between humans underneath all the craziness all lives have, then I hold much pity for you... God Speed, Anna...and blessed be. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #52 February 8, 2007 QuoteYou guys clap at suicides too? Fun to watch folks choke on their vomit? Like to hold their wrists as their hearts stop/ Idiots who think death is funny haven't held enough hands of people while they died. Whoever they were. Whores or saints. Assholes. Joke with her daughter about how funny it was back when her mommy died. I don't know WTF is wrong with people. With all the people in the world who need killing, why laugh at this poor train wreck? I don't care about the answers, I'm attempting to encourage introspection. Waste of my time, I know. Geez, for all my hostility toward Saddam, I didn't even make fun of his death. Deuce I know you know that people react to things in different ways. You may not agree with them but who is to say which reaction is the better/right one. Is cracking a joke any less respectful than sending up another load of tandems after someone bounces in front of the loading zone? Is it funny that the first headlines about the Nasa woman were all puns from the start? It is tragic that she passed away before 40. However who is really surprised? She was a grown woman that made some really strange choices in her life and some very destructive ones as well. I don't feel that sorry for her as she didn't try to change her ways or seek out help for it. However I do feel sorry for her children that seemed to be a by-product of her lifestyle or another way to manipulate people. No child deserves that and one was already lost in her wake._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #53 February 8, 2007 The only way I can see the kid being better off is if both of the men claiming paternity sign away parental rights and put the kid up for adoption so she can get away from the train wreck history of her family and grow up in a normal environment. Somehow I doubt anyone will be thoughtful enough to do that."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,534 #54 February 8, 2007 Something to think about. Both Anna Nicole Smith and Paris Hilton were/are extremely goal-driven, hard working women. Particularly Anna Nicole Smith, because she didn't start out with all the money. They decided what they wanted, and parlayed what they were born with into fame and some degree of fortune, and a lifestyle largely of their choosing. How many of us have achieved our goals? They both could use some help with goal-setting, and understanding that goals aren't always only external. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #55 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteThat is the first of the usual 3 of celeb deaths. Who will be the next two? They die 3 at a time? Let's hope for... Paris Hilton? why? what did she do to you?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guppie01 0 #56 February 8, 2007 Quote The only way I can see the kid being better off is if both of the men claiming paternity sign away parental rights and put the kid up for adoption I would adopt her! g"Let's do something romantic this Saturday... how bout we bust out the restraints?" Raddest Ho this side of Jersey #1 - MISS YOU OMG, is she okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loonix 0 #57 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat is the first of the usual 3 of celeb deaths. Who will be the next two? They die 3 at a time? Let's hope for... Paris Hilton? why? what did she do to you? Well, if someone had to die anyway, I mean... she's the most annoying celeb I can think of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #58 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuote The only way I can see the kid being better off is if both of the men claiming paternity sign away parental rights and put the kid up for adoption I would adopt her! g Funny, I would adopt you..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guppie01 0 #59 February 8, 2007 Well, I will need a place to stay the first weekend in March.... g"Let's do something romantic this Saturday... how bout we bust out the restraints?" Raddest Ho this side of Jersey #1 - MISS YOU OMG, is she okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindercles 0 #60 February 8, 2007 Seeing the connection between all human beings comes part and parcel with the understanding that death is a natural part of the life cycle. I choose to believe that death is no more a tragedy than birth is a miracle. Because of that I also refuse to think any differently of a person simply because they died. I laughed at her then, I still laugh at her now (once again with the caveat that the baby is a different story altogether). That said, I respect the fact that everyone has a right to their own beliefs, and I appreciate that differing beliefs are what makes the world an interesting place. I don't pity anyone else for their beliefs any more than I glorify them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #61 February 8, 2007 QuoteWell, I will need a place to stay the first weekend in March.... g I. CAN'T. WAIT. "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #62 February 8, 2007 QuoteShe will know. And it will have an effect. The baby is NOT better off. I know this. I am speaking of any immediate recognition of a change. The two month-old baby was in the Bahamas while the mother was in Florida. I'm saying that the mother has been absent, and the baby likely has not known the comforting sound of her mother's heartbeat much at all since she exited the womb. The baby has been missing something and will continue to miss something. This baby is going to grow up without her mother. I just wonder if her mother has spent the last two months getting the baby used to that idea. As much of a shame as it is, Anna Nicole Smith can rot in hell if this death was brought on by her. Did she OD? Did she commit suicide? If so, she has done nothing more than bring a lifetime of unnecessary pain and suffering to a poor baby who has no choice. I hope that I am wrong. I could at least give some good thoughts to her if her death was not caused by any actions on her part. But if she did herself in - either accidentally or on purpose - she did nothing less than deliberately inflict a lifetime of emotional turmoil upon her baby, who did nothing to deserve it. Quoteshe didn't live the way, perhaps, you or I would, but that doesn't make her less of a human without the same feelings and needs and wants that you and I have. Two things. First - she no longer has any needs, feelings or wants. Those are gone. Her child is the one that has feelings, needs and wants. Rather than focus on poor Anna Nicole, why not focus on poor baby girl? Second - I have needs, feelings and wants, too. But I'm a dad and a husband, and any feelings and needs and wants I have are relegated to the back of the line when considering the feelings and needs and wants of my kids and my wife. When a person chooses to becomes a parent, those feelings should be managed because that person has kids to take care of. Quoteif you can't see the connection between humans underneath all the craziness all lives have, then I hold much pity for you... I do see the difference. Some of us just do our best to give our kids stability instead of craziness. For those who foist their problems on their kids, I have nothing but contempt. edited to add: Michele - you know me well enough where I don't think you were replying specifically to me, but if so, we're still friends. But I do stand by this post. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #63 February 8, 2007 Agreed. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #64 February 8, 2007 It SAYS I'm in Bonfire . . . . TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #65 February 8, 2007 QuoteIt SAYS I'm in Bonfire . . . . I just have this knack with threads Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #66 February 8, 2007 LOL--Duly warned, then! TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #67 February 8, 2007 QuoteIt SAYS I'm in Bonfire . . . . It SAYS I'm in the Recycle Bin, even if I don't know why. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #68 February 8, 2007 ROFL! Awwwww!TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyflyer77 0 #69 February 8, 2007 QuoteSomeone should call and check on Cocheese. He's probably heartbroken. I'm on it If I stand on my tip toes, I can see the weekend from here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #70 February 8, 2007 Probably from side effects of those diet drugs she was promoting. Live hard Die young Leave a good looking corpse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #71 February 8, 2007 Quoteedited to add: Michele - you know me well enough where I don't think you were replying specifically to me, but if so, we're still friends. But I do stand by this post. Silly you. Of course we're still friends... a disagreement does not break a friendship with me, especially if one is being intellectually honest, as you are. We can agree to disagree. I just find it offensive that people laugh at this. Call me sensitive (it won't be the first time), or call me something else (it won't be the first time), but I find it offensive and, frankly, telling, that some people are laughing at her in death. No, she has no needs or wants now. We don't yet know what happened; drugs, accidental or intentional overdose...natural death, whatever. Reports indicate that her son had a heart defect, undiagnosed until his autopsy. Perhaps she had it, as well...and perhaps she was ill (there are reports that she was feeling feverish and sick with "flu like" symptoms). I do know that her life had been wracked with tragedy, especially in recent months, and it would be hard to survive that even if you were the most stable person on the planet (which she wasn't). The depression she must've been experiencing had to be overwhelming. In re: the baby. Apparently, Anna had been with the baby quite a bit. Not, perhaps, like you are with your children, but still, quite a bit. That's what the reporting is saying, that while there was a nanny, Anna was also pretty hands on. She had a great relationship with her son, and was devastated when he died. And for those who'd say "she was a bad parent", do you know any children of addicts who are not? I do - quite a few, in fact. So to blame his drug use on anything other than his personal choice is ridiculous...he wasn't 12, she wasn't shooting him up...he was using because he chose to use or he had an addiction issue the same as his mother. She wasn't a bad parent to him, and I doubt she was a bad parent to the baby. I don't know for a fact - the same way you don't know for a fact otherwise. But all reports were that she was an attentive, good parent to both Daniel and Dannilynn. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #72 February 9, 2007 On a positive note we don't have to listen to the never ending reports about the diaper wearing astro-nut. ..... Now its all non stop ANS coverage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #73 February 9, 2007 I don't feel like editing this one and removing the attacks in it. A few of you are skating on thin ice for starting personal attacks. If you are asking "Was X a personal attack?" The answer is probally yes and knock it off.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
