skycat 0 #26 January 29, 2007 LOL...good thing tourism isn't as big of thing as it is here in CO, that would make for a sucky vacation if the ski resorts wouldn't serve you cause you were from out of state. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #27 January 29, 2007 QuoteYOU got denied from OTHER ignorant people? Nope, you were denied by people who knew the law and didn't want to break it. By TX law you have to have a TX DL or ID to buy beer, cigs, etc. This is due to the wide variance in other ID's made from other states and countries. A 18yr old gas station clerk isn't going to be able to reasonably tell if that CO ID is a fake or not, but they'll be able to tell most but the best fakes from a real ID from TX (having had lived here and gone to the TABC classes, etc). So yup, all those other people were definately at fault, their ignorant and you're special. So if you DON'T have a TEXAS DL or another form of acceptable TEXAS ID, you can't buy alcohol or tobacco if some 18 year old thinks you're not of age? I can appreciate that they want to ensure that the person purchasing said items is of age but what if you can't GET a TEXAS ID (say, a Canadian travelling there??). Hmmm ... that would sure limit tourism. As for your latter post about passports being easily counterfeited, I would have to call BS on that. Especially in this day and age. Try getting a passport now (I'm in the process of renewing mine and I can tell you, it ain't easy! They practically want my first born, which would fine if I HAD a first born to give them!). Drivers Licence, while that's ANOTHER story! Here in Alberta, they have these new, funky, DL's that are, apparently, NOT EASY to counterfeit! You go to the Registry to get a new DL, you give them your old DL, they take your picture, keep your old DL and give you a nice slip of paper without a photo that, apparently, proves who you are. 3 weeks later, your new, NOT EASY TO COUNTERFEIT DL appears in your unlocked, unattended mailbox. Gotta love this NEW FANGLED security! Before all this came into effect, I went to the Registry, gave them my OLD DL, they took a picture and gave me my new one. Ah, progress ... 'Shell'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #28 January 29, 2007 Actually you'll find that many states have very similar laws. It all depends on if its enforced or cared about by people in the service industry. Texas has a VERY high amount of tourism and there's a lot of money involved. You should know that for how long you lived here. Infact nearly 50 Billion was spent by tourists in TX in 2005. According to http://www.travel.state.tx.us/index.aspx --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mx757 4 #29 January 29, 2007 QuoteThe SSN is not required to be on a DL. Ask them to issue you a number. I know but my old Missouri license had the SSN as the DL # but TexASS officals wouldn't accept it they wanted the SS Card which all the illegals seem to copy so easy.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mx757 4 #30 January 29, 2007 QuoteQuotethose stupid shits in texas DMV wouldn't give me new TexASS drivers license because I do not have my SSN but my old drivers license had it on the license. not acceptable need paper one from SS I told them any 5th grade with a computer could make one!! 10 years here and I still have my missouri license Can't be too hard to get a new SS card at social security, or have you never bothered? There will be times when you'll need it, not just for DMV... Why bother? after 10 years hell with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #31 January 29, 2007 QuoteSo if you DON'T have a TEXAS DL or another form of acceptable TEXAS ID, you can't buy alcohol or tobacco if some 18 year old thinks you're not of age? Yup. You'll also find that most states have a similar law. Quotethat would sure limit tourism. Not really. See my other post. Besides anyone, resident or not, can get a TX ID card. Its a pain in the ass, sure, but if you want to strickly be "legal" then there you go. In reality you're not going to typically need it. About the only time I've seen someone have a problem with an ID from another state is when they were being a dick at the bar to other people or to the bar tender. Moral of the story is don't be a dick. That's a universal truth in going to a bar or dealing with someone in the service industry. Its not limited to just TX there. QuoteAs for your latter post about passports being easily counterfeited, I would have to call BS on that. Especially in this day and age. Try getting a passport now (I'm in the process of renewing mine and I can tell you, it ain't easy! They practically want my first born, which would fine if I HAD a first born to give them!). Sure its a pain in the ass to get one legally. Since I was talking about getting a legal fake passport...right? Well, I'm not going to go do the research for you, you can google around and find out if you want or you don't have to believe me, but I promise you what I stated is an informed opinion. Its not just some opinion based on an antedotal story from a single piece of personal experience. People being so shocked that TX has this law really show that people don't know their own state's laws (who's knows about Canadia's laws, not me, you're on your own there ). Its not hard to learn and understand even the basics of your state's laws. Infact every single state have their laws on the internet to be easily accessed by all for free.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #32 January 29, 2007 QuoteSo yup, all those other people were definately at fault, their ignorant and you're special. Or Maybe it is the Gas Attendants in TX that are special. Gas Stations in 49 other States seem to be able to figure this out. I can see where someone visiting from out of State would be VERY confused about as it just doesnt make sense. I have been to TX many times and never had a Problem with my GA drivers License as ID but If I did, I would think they were full of shit too.. And I KNOW im not special. As to the original Posters Comments, even in Backasswards Georgia, They Give you your Drivers License on the Spot. Printed, Laminated card ready within 5 Minutes of Processing the paper work. I would have to agree it seems Texas is Waaaayyy Behind the times on both issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #33 January 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo if you DON'T have a TEXAS DL or another form of acceptable TEXAS ID, you can't buy alcohol or tobacco if some 18 year old thinks you're not of age? Yup. You'll also find that most states have a similar law. Quotethat would sure limit tourism. Not really. See my other post. Besides anyone, resident or not, can get a TX ID card. Its a pain in the ass, sure, but if you want to strickly be "legal" then there you go. In reality you're not going to typically need it. About the only time I've seen someone have a problem with an ID from another state is when they were being a dick at the bar to other people or to the bar tender. Moral of the story is don't be a dick. That's a universal truth in going to a bar or dealing with someone in the service industry. Its not limited to just TX there. Why would I want to go through the "pain in the ass" paperwork to get ID there when I had to go through the "pain in the ass " paperwork to get my OWN ID to begin with! AND I probably need my own "pain in the ass paperwork" ID to get your "pain in the ass paperwork" ID anyway! Good thing I'm not an ass when dealing with people in the service industry! QuoteAs for your latter post about passports being easily counterfeited, I would have to call BS on that. Especially in this day and age. Try getting a passport now (I'm in the process of renewing mine and I can tell you, it ain't easy! They practically want my first born, which would fine if I HAD a first born to give them!). QuoteSure its a pain in the ass to get one legally. Since I was talking about getting a legal fake passport...right? Well, I'm not going to go do the research for you, you can google around and find out if you want or you don't have to believe me, but I promise you what I stated is an informed opinion. Its not just some opinion based on an antedotal story from a single piece of personal experience. Well you might have been talking about getting a passport legally, don't you think it might be a bit easier to get a fake Texas DL over, perhaps, a fake Passport from the US?? Or any other country for that matter? QuotePeople being so shocked that TX has this law really show that people don't know their own state's laws (who's knows about Canadia's laws, not me, you're on your own there ). Its not hard to learn and understand even the basics of your state's laws. Infact every single state have their laws on the internet to be easily accessed by all for free. I'm not the least bit shocked about any laws anywhere. Just surprised that you "need" to have an acceptable form of ID issued by the PLACE you're visiting, that's all. I can tell you that here in my part of "Canadia", they certainly won't issue you a driver's license unless you reside here. Your Texas ID is fine in Alberta. Ah, the laws of the world, huh!? 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #34 January 29, 2007 You are right, TX does have a good tourist income you bring in a bit more annually than we do, but the Texas economy is much more diversified (this is a good thing) it just doesn't rely on it as much as CO does. You should have heard the freak out about tourism money lost due to the two blizzards over the X-mas holiday. People were unable to fly in for their ski vacations which meant big money lost for the state . It's probably a big part of why TX doesn't have an income tax and CO does. I really hate this state income tax and sales taxes that are higher than in TX.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #35 January 29, 2007 QuoteWell you might have been talking about getting a passport legally, don't you think it might be a bit easier to get a fake Texas DL over, perhaps, a fake Passport from the US?? Or any other country for that matter? A fake that is easily plausable? Nope, easier for the passport. Think about the number of bar tenders, clerks, etc that know what a real passport looks like. How many of them have been to a class on how to determine a real from a fake? How many of them have the "swiper boxes" at the bar for the magnetic strips for their state's ID? Its much harder to have a good fake ID/DL of a state pass inspection by someone in that state then a passport. QuoteI can tell you that here in my part of "Canadia", they certainly won't issue you a driver's license unless you reside here. There's a difference in TX in a TX DL (driver's license) and a TX ID (Identification). The ID has no driving privlages attatched and anyone of any age can get one. QuoteAh, the laws of the world, huh!? Hehe...you're not kidding. That's why I'm amazed that people wouldn't take the time to learn the laws of their own state. They'll argue about them and their own misconceptions of what the law is or isn't, but they've never even read them. If you want to have a laughable afternoon, pick a law that seems different then go look up the case law regarding that law. THAT is usually good for a laugh, followed by an "oh...well I don't agree with that..." Don't read too much or it might raise your blood pressure.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #36 January 29, 2007 This FAQ should clear things up: http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/help/General.htm "15. It is illegal to sell alcoholic beverages to someone unless they show a Texas driver’s license? The law does not require that a person over 21 provide any identification to purchase alcohol in Texas. But since store clerks, waitresses, and bartenders can be held criminally liable for selling to a minor, they often require a Texas driver's license or Texas Identification Card issued by the Department of Public Safety, to prove that the person really is 21. The law provides a statutory defense to the charge of selling an alcoholic beverage to a minor when the seller has asked for and examined an apparently valid DPS issued Texas DL or ID card which contains a physical description consistent with the presenter's appearance and shows the presenter to be 21 years of age of older. So a store, bar or restaurant might or might not sell alcohol to a person with an out-of-state driver's license, military ID, or passport. What's acceptable in any establishment is a matter of that establishment's private business policies." It does not sound like State law. My FL license was accepted numerous times for booze after I moved here. I always get carded but nobody ever gave me any problems about not having a Texas ID. Like others, I was also very surprised that it took the state a few weeks to send a license. "A temporary card? huh?" The DMV I was at also didn't accept debit cards or credit cards. Cash or check only. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #37 January 29, 2007 QuoteA fake that is easily plausable? Nope, easier for the passport. Think about the number of bar tenders, clerks, etc that know what a real passport looks like. How many of them have been to a class on how to determine a real from a fake? How many of them have the "swiper boxes" at the bar for the magnetic strips for their state's ID? Its much harder to have a good fake ID/DL of a state pass inspection by someone in that state then a passport. Sheesh! Your hospitality industry sounds WAY better trained than any other I've encountered! QuoteQuoteI can tell you that here in my part of "Canadia", they certainly won't issue you a driver's license unless you reside here. There's a difference in TX in a TX DL (driver's license) and a TX ID (Identification). The ID has no driving privlages attatched and anyone of any age can get one. Our driving age is 16. Our drinking age is 18. We only have the DL (which, sometimes, doesn't have any driving priviledges attached either! ). QuoteQuoteAh, the laws of the world, huh!? Hehe...you're not kidding. That's why I'm amazed that people wouldn't take the time to learn the laws of their own state. They'll argue about them and their own misconceptions of what the law is or isn't, but they've never even read them. If you want to have a laughable afternoon, pick a law that seems different then go look up the case law regarding that law. THAT is usually good for a laugh, followed by an "oh...well I don't agree with that..." Don't read too much or it might raise your blood pressure. Let's agree that if I come down there, my DL is okay with you. I'll do the same if you come up here. WAY easier that way! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #38 January 29, 2007 That page leaves out a couple of things. Firstly that the TX ID/DL is the form of identification required, but it does leave things open explaining that if you're over 21 you don't have to have ID. Hell, I'm 26 and I still get carded for cigerettes all the time.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #39 January 29, 2007 QuoteThat page leaves out a couple of things. Firstly that the TX ID/DL is the form of identification required, but it does leave things open explaining that if you're over 21 you don't have to have ID. Hell, I'm 26 and I still get carded for cigerettes all the time. Don't toot your horn too much there, toots! Our legal age is 18. I was ID'd by a "barely" (I'm sure!) 18 year old for smokes one night when I was 36!!! He said, well you should be flattered. I said, if I were your mother, I'd slap you! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 130 #40 January 29, 2007 well here I am sitting in a crappy hotel in Dallas, reading this stuff, after drinking at dinner in the West End and going through a drive-thru beer store get that a drive-thru beer store, TX rocks, we need those in south carolina guess i should be pissed that no one asked for an IDGive one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #41 January 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteThat page leaves out a couple of things. Firstly that the TX ID/DL is the form of identification required, but it does leave things open explaining that if you're over 21 you don't have to have ID. Hell, I'm 26 and I still get carded for cigerettes all the time. Don't toot your horn too much there, toots! Our legal age is 18. I was ID'd by a "barely" (I'm sure!) 18 year old for smokes one night when I was 36!!! He said, well you should be flattered. I said, if I were your mother, I'd slap you! Shell were you wearing something that showed off the girls? Maybe he just wanted your name... "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #42 January 29, 2007 QuoteShell were you wearing something that showed off the girls? Maybe he just wanted your name... Maybe ... and if you didn't already know my name, I'd say you were wondering yourself! Smooches to you, my dear! See you in LP (or sooner!) 'Shell'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #43 January 29, 2007 Huh? What about the part I bolded? The TABC is saying it's up to each establishment whether or not they want to accept out-of-state licenses or the other forms of ID mentioned. I doubt they'd condone illegal activities on their own web site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #44 January 29, 2007 I know what you bolded. Basically what TABC is referencing is that an estabilishment can accept what they want, BUT they won't be covered under the law if its not a TX ID. So what that means is if a 19-yr old presents a fake TX ID that a reasonable person would believe to be real, the estabilshment has a bit of a leg to stand on. If that same 19-yr old presents a passport or any other ID, they really don't. I'm not going to go into the full on technical explaination citing various chapter and verses of a few different Texas Codes. The simple answer is "must have a TX ID." This post is the step up from that answer. The next post can come from you, if you want to do the research in the Texas Penal Code, Code of Criminal Proceedure and Alcohol Beverage Code. For me, I just got off work and I need to get a few hours so I can get out to the DZ this afternoon.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #45 January 29, 2007 As far as out of state licenses go, I *HAD* no problem using my south dakota license here what so ever... There was a couple of places I went to where they decided to look my license up in a book. Most bars, grocery stores, etc. have these books which show licenses from each state and tell them what kind of security features to look for to identify a fake.. It's just a matter of time for them to look it up if they want to make a big deal about it. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #46 January 29, 2007 Yeah, I'm not going to page through tons of code, lol either. But alright -- they can accept whatever they want but if they are selling to someone who might be underage they'll want a TX ID to cover their butts. Seems reasonable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scooterskydives 0 #47 January 29, 2007 When I was in Hawaii for vacation, I realized when I was at the airport that I had left my ID at my friends house where I was staying and I just had to go through security and I got extra checks but had no problem getting trough the 3 airports... even at LAX.... Good luckIf God wanted man to stay on the ground. He would of put roots on them instead of feet. loving life GO-N-UP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #48 January 29, 2007 Quote What THEY don't want you to know about. Love it!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #49 January 29, 2007 I *HAD* no problem using my south dakota license here what so ever... Quote And I STILL have no problem using my California license! Been here 10 years, just keep renewing it at the El Cajon DMV. I was asked once here when pulled over, told the cop I have a home there and here...live both places. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
