stayhigh 2 #26 January 10, 2007 no sir, in america if you are not white, it is guilty until proven innocent...Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #27 January 10, 2007 Quote no sir, in america if you are not white, it is guilty until proven innocent... funny but you may be onto something herehttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #28 January 10, 2007 Quote no sir, in america if you are not white, it is guilty until proven innocent... its not a race thing. your fucked, either way, if your in court.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #29 January 10, 2007 Quote no sir, in america if you are not white, it is guilty until proven innocent... Poor, maybe. If you are rich, you are innocent until the money runs out. I think it is funny that one of the "criteria" for being suspicious was having out of state tags and a lot of fast food containers in the car. The theory must be that people are traveling and don't have time to stop for meals because they are doing something odd. Just before Christmas, I went out of state on vacation. There we were, riding along with out of state tags, eating piles of junk food. Fortunately, we were driving an expensive vehicle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #30 January 10, 2007 it says the reason for pulling over was a vroken tail light. After that he noticed suspicious actions. Using my imagination I could guess how two people with 10kilos of coke strapped to their wastes were acting odd.(I dont know she removedt he article from the original thread.) how do you explain suspicious activtiy to someone who disagrees with you? I.E. In a court of law? BUt, I definitely agree that it is more a money thing than a race thing.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #31 January 10, 2007 Quote I think it is funny that one of the "criteria" for being suspicious was having out of state tags I think it was actually out of country tags. They were from somewhere in Mexico. I see them bastards driving up and down I-20 fairly often. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kid_Icarus 0 #32 January 10, 2007 What basis did he have the right to search the men. I bet this gets dropped if they hire a lawyer. I have a friend who is a lawyer, and he defended a guy on a very very similar charge, even the tail light out. All charges dropped. Why... cause you can't just search someone in this country cause they look suspicious. Granted, getting coke off the street is a good thing, but unwarranted searches are bad. ________________________________________ "What What..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #33 January 10, 2007 Quote What basis did he have the right to search the men. Granted, getting coke off the street is a good thing, but unwarranted searches are bad. Quote He said he pulled them over because of a tail light and suspected that something wasn't right because of the out of country license plates and that the van was full of water bottles and fast food bags. Said he really noticed how nervous they were and decided to search them. That will pretty much trigger a search. He was within his right to do it."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #34 January 10, 2007 is this the one of the friends I know? I can'timagine that they would walk once they were found with 10 kilos of coke "on" them. if the area is a high drug trafficking area than it should be easy to wrap it up. If they were in the country illegally I'd bet they walk away.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #35 January 10, 2007 Any cop can ask permission to search. If they consented, they're screwed, and idiots.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kid_Icarus 0 #36 January 10, 2007 Yes that is correct. That's why you need to know your rights. Nervousness doesn't warrant a serach. The guy I know didn't walk that day, and he only had 1 kilo on him, but he was released later and charges dropped. It's called outside the scope of the stop. They were stopped for a traffic violation. If they consented, that's a different story. I don't think you know this guy JT ________________________________________ "What What..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #37 January 10, 2007 outside the scope of the stop? so when someone is stopped for a taillight and they find a human body in the trunk they will get away? I wonder if 1kilo is less than a felony. ( I doubt it , but than, I don't know how much a Kilo is.) the whole reason for just about any arrest starts with suspicion.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #38 January 10, 2007 It's called having a damn good lawyer. A friend of mine got out of a DUI where he was a complete jackass (doing donuts in the bar parking lot at 2:30 in the morning - then driving to a 7-11 and parking next to a cop) but got charges reduced to reckless driving thanks to his lawyer.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kid_Icarus 0 #39 January 10, 2007 So, I'm not a lawyer, so don't take my word for it.. but this is some info i found Plain sight law- pretty obvious. Dead body, pound of coke in the back seat... you're getting searched. "When are police legally allowed to search me? Police officers are legally allowed to search your home or your property if they obtain a search warrant. To obtain a warrant, police officers must write out an affidavit -- a written statement under oath -- to convince a judge that they have probable cause to believe that criminal activity is occurring at the place to be searched or that evidence of a crime may be found there. As a general rule, searches conducted without a warrant are automatically unreasonable and hence violate the Fourth Amendment. But in fact most searches occur without warrants because police take advantage of these many legal exceptions to the Fourth Amendment: Consent Searches If the police ask your permission to search your home, purse, briefcase or other property, and you freely consent, their warrantless search automatically becomes reasonable and therefore legal. Consequently, whatever an officer finds during a consent search can be used to convict the person. Plain View Rule This is common sense: Always keep any private items that you don’t want others to see out of sight. Legally speaking, police do not need a search warrant in order to confiscate any illegal items that are in plain view. Searches Made in Connection with a Legal Arrest Police do not need a warrant to make a search "incident to an arrest." After a legal arrest, police can legally protect themselves by searching the person and the immediate surroundings for weapons that might be used to harm the officer. Consequently, whatever an officer finds during such a search can be used to convict the person. Exigent Circumstances A judge may uphold an officer’s warrantless search or seizure if "exigent circumstances" exist. Exigent circumstances were described by one court as "an emergency situation requiring swift action to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property, or to forestall the imminent escape of a suspect or destruction of evidence." WARNING: If you ever face a real-life police encounter where the officer is urging you to consent to a search, do not try to figure out whether or not the search is legally permissible. You must assume that the search is not legally permissible and that the search will only be legal if you consent. If an officer is in fact legally allowed to search you, you have nothing to lose by refusing to consent." "What if the police call in drug-sniffing dogs? Your rights do not disappear if the officer threatens to call in the dogs, so don’t let this all-too-common tactic intimidate you into consenting to a search. Before the dogs arrive, you have the right to dismiss yourself by asking if you are free to go. But if the officer detains you until the dogs come, remain silent and refuse to consent to any searches. If a K-9 unit arrives, you should never consent to a dog sniff even if the officer claims you have to (which would be a lie). Remember: Unlocking your car at the officer's request or handing the officer your keys is the same as consenting to a search." "What if the officer says he'll go easy on me if I cooperate? Unfortunately, many people get fooled by some version of this commonly used police officer's line: Everything will be easier if you cooperate. That might be true sometimes, but when it comes to consenting to searches and answering incriminating questions, it couldn't be further from the truth." ________________________________________ "What What..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #40 January 10, 2007 Just fucking great, do you realize the adverse effect this is going to have on prices? Fuck, no way will we be able to afford the strippers and the blow this weekend. Tell your nephew thanks for nothin! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #41 January 10, 2007 Remember: Unlocking your car at the officer's request or handing the officer your keys is the same as consenting to a search." hmmm, what if you do so because the officer DEMANDS it? I'm not a lawyer, so how would i know if the situation I'm in is one where the cop does in fact have the right to search my car, and so he tells me to hand over my keys/unlock the doors? If I refuse when the cop has the right to order me to do it, what would happen?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kid_Icarus 0 #42 January 10, 2007 I don't know. You'd have to consent a lawyer. ________________________________________ "What What..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #43 January 11, 2007 Quote Remember: Unlocking your car at the officer's request or handing the officer your keys is the same as consenting to a search." Hmmm...not in my area its not. Consent to search is just that, consent to search. There's not some sort of secret code or handshake that gives you consent. There is either consent or not. Many departments have gone to a written consent to search form to fix problems with this in court. For the fruit of the poisonous tree is a sour fruit. Quote If I refuse when the cop has the right to order me to do it, what would happen?? If the officer has the right to search your vehicle, you'll know. You most likely see some sort of paper or you'll be handcuffed in the back of their vehicle or sitting on the curb. A false search or arrest is a BIG deal for an officer. The kind of thing that officers easily loose their career over and get sued (and loose).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 855 #44 January 11, 2007 "hmmm, what if you do so because the officer DEMANDS it? " Personally..in the past...my response is "fuck you cop you're not an attorney". Three hours later I drove away. Was very tempted to do this at a roadblock recently too...but I was too tired to deal with the assholes. I'm sick of us surrendering our rights with the "if you're not guilty and have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?" attitude...and our fucking president is very axious to allow unwarranted searches on suspicion alone. First it was cummunism...now it's fear and terrorism. They want to take our rights away people WAKE THE FUCK UP! I agree with getting bad drugs off the streets, including half the shit they prescribe to us...but I refuse to be a sheep to our government. FOR the people - not TO the people! stepping down from soapbox now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #45 January 11, 2007 So... they wanted to search your motorcycle? "Can we search?" "No." "Just kidding, we can see everything. It's a bike." "Oh." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 855 #46 January 11, 2007 You would be amazed at what and where can be hidden on a scooter Bill! My favorite - the chain spot welded to the gas cap with a container on the end of the chain... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildWilly 0 #47 January 11, 2007 Quote I thought you were innocent until proven guilty. You just exposed some people on the internet who have not been found guilty in a court of law.. MMM if their lawyer sees that then a mistrail...Great job And you don't think that picture and thier names was all over the news the next day. That's what the media does. This won't affect anything. Willygrowing old is inevitable, growing up is optional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflychris 0 #48 January 11, 2007 Damn that was my hook up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #49 January 11, 2007 Quote Quote I thought you were innocent until proven guilty. You just exposed some people on the internet who have not been found guilty in a court of law.. MMM if their lawyer sees that then a mistrail...Great job And you don't think that picture and thier names was all over the news the next day. That's what the media does. This won't affect anything. Willy You are right. I have heard from a number of people saying that they saw my nephew on tv the day after the bust. The faces of the smugglers were on the tv news and at the tv stations website as well."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
