I have an idea: Preventing DUIs in a good way.

[grue 1]

It's probably safe to say that a good portion of DUIs and accidents caused by drunk fuckwits are stemmed from them leaving the bars shitfaced.

It's also safe to say that bars are taxed heavily, that's a fact of life.

Why not offer bars and anywhere serving alcohol tax breaks as an incentive to implement a system under which you surrender your vehicle keys before ordering alcohol, and the keys will not be given back to you unless you or a designated driver pass a breath test?

Bars/clubs wouldn't HAVE to implement the system, but wouldn't get lowered taxes if they didn't.

cavete terrae.

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It's probably safe to say that a good portion of DUIs and accidents caused by drunk fuckwits are stemmed from them leaving the bars shitfaced.

It's also safe to say that bars are taxed heavily, that's a fact of life.

Why not offer bars and anywhere serving alcohol tax breaks as an incentive to implement a system under which you surrender your vehicle keys before ordering alcohol, and the keys will not be given back to you unless you or a designated driver pass a breath test?

Bars/clubs wouldn't HAVE to implement the system, but wouldn't get lowered taxes if they didn't.

That'll help the people who didn't drive to the bar in the first place how?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[Gawain 0]

Actually, I like this newer system they have in parts of Japan. It's called "alternate driver" where a sober person drives you home in your car, and a cab/co-worker takes them back to the restaraunt or bar.

It's a flat fee type arrangement. Very convenient too, because you get your car back at your house.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Lindercles 0]

I'm guessing that the revenue they would lose would greatly surpass the possible tax savings. Especially if it wasn't a mandatory program. People would just go to the bars that didn't do it.

[Buried 0]

bad idea.

just set up a SCOOTERMAN operation. It's a great idea!
http://scooterman.co.uk/

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ScooterMan shows up on a small scooter, which he folds up into the trunk of your car and drives you home in your own car. Once you and your car are safely home, ScooterMan retrieves his scooter from your trunk and scoots himself off into the night

Where is my fizzy-lifting drink?

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I'm guessing that the revenue they would lose would greatly surpass the possible tax savings. Especially if it wasn't a mandatory program. People would just go to the bars that didn't do it.

I'd like to see it required, but that'd be too much of an infringement on civil liberties for me to be able to ethically back it.

Realistically, I think it'd be fine, because honestly, how many people actually go out INTENDING to drive drunk? Not many, right? Furthermore, how many people, after actually doing it, go "oh my lord xenu, why did I do that?"

cavete terrae.

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That'll help the people who didn't drive to the bar in the first place how?

If they didn't drive to the bar, then they can't drive back home. Therefore, there is no concern about them driving drunk.

[downwardspiral 0]

but then how do they get a drink if they have no keys to give up?

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That'll help the people who didn't drive to the bar in the first place how?

If they didn't drive to the bar, then they can't drive back home. Therefore, there is no concern about them driving drunk.

So when the bartender asks for their keys, they say, "I walked."
Then the guy standing behind them, who did drive, sees this work and says, "I walked."

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[Lindercles 0]

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Realistically, I think it'd be fine, because honestly, how many people actually go out INTENDING to drive drunk? Not many, right?

Consciously? Probably not many. Subconsciously? Far, far too many.

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Furthermore, how many people, after actually doing it, go "oh my lord xenu, why did I do that?"

Most of them, and they'll say the same thing next weekend.

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but then how do they get a drink if they have no keys to give up?

It'd be an honour system, admittedly. Unfortunately, you'd still get the fuckwits who'd lie about it, but no system is perfect.

What HARM could it do to implement said system?

cavete terrae.

[nbblood 0]

It sounds good, but who's going to regulate it? Who's going to inspect the bars' systems? What keeps a bar owner from claiming they have a system for the tax break but not really implementing a system. This sounds like a way for all of us to pay higher taxes to compensate for the tax breaks without anything really changing with the problem.

Blues,
Nathan

If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute.

[Lindercles 0]

The bars would make less money. Although whether or not that's a "harm" is debatable.

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It sounds good, but who's going to regulate it? Who's going to inspect the bars' systems? What keeps a bar owner from claiming they have a system for the tax break but not really implementing a system. This sounds like a way for all of us to pay higher taxes to compensate for the tax breaks without anything really changing with the problem.

Well, I'm not going to get into my views on taxes in general (short version: If the government did things right in the first place and didn't waste money on stupid shit, they wouldn't need so much taxation), and the details are more than I'm willing to flesh out on 4 hours of sleep, but it's just an idea.

cavete terrae.

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In my area, which has a 45,000+ student university, we have a free student run taxi service that will take you from a bar to your home or from any other party to your home. It will only take you home. No where else. It runs on donations and is completely student run.

Its been in service since 1999 or 2000 and has really turned into a big deal. Big enough that its been implimented at other univeristies.

Local and national car rental places donate vehicles to be used. It runs from Thursday through Sunday. The party weekend.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[billvon 2,998]

So a guy gets a fake set of keys and hands em over.

It's a good idea in theory, but I think it would need a bit of refinement.

Here's my idea of the day:

Put a moat around the bar with a balance beam leading in. Put foam rubber at the bottom. If you fall off the balance beam, only way back up is via a stairway where a guy takes your keys and calls you a cab.

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Realistically, I think it'd be fine, because honestly, how many people actually go out INTENDING to drive drunk? Not many, right?

Legally drunk and actually drunk are two different things.

The legal limit in Florida is .08, in some states it is .10.
It is an arbitrary standard.

.08 is basically one drink. You need to wait for one hour for each "drink" to leave your system.

If you drink 4 beers in 4 hours, over the limit.
I would say that very, very few people actually leave a bar that are not legally drunk using the .08 limit.

[grue 1]

Thereby forcing people with naturally shitty balance to pay for a taxi?

In terms of what I'd REALLY like to see, I'd love to see far more brutal penalties for a dui conviction.

Not a $500 fine. Not a night in jail.

First conviction: MINIMUM $5,000 US fine. $10,000 if an accident was involved. Judge's discretion based on income if a fatality occurred. Minimum of one week in jail, and alcohol counseling afterwards. 180 day licence suspension. Again, all minimums.

Second conviction: Minimum $10,000 / $20,000 fines, as above. 30 days in jail, 2 year licence suspension.

Third conviction: Dragged behind the courthouse, buried to the neck, and left to die. (Not literally, just some really hefty punishments. Life imprisonment wouldn't be bad. The person obviously can't handle freedom)


ANY accident involving a fatality caused by a drunk driver would result in permanently revoked licence, and a minimum of one year in prison for every person who died.

cavete terrae.

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So a guy gets a fake set of keys and hands em over.

It's a good idea in theory, but I think it would need a bit of refinement.

Here's my idea of the day:

Put a moat around the bar with a balance beam leading in. Put foam rubber at the bottom. If you fall off the balance beam, only way back up is via a stairway where a guy takes your keys and calls you a cab.

Can we connect a good size capacitor to the beam that discharges at random?

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I would say that very, very few people actually leave a bar that are not legally drunk using the .08 limit.

And I would agree.

[billvon 2,998]

>.08 is basically one drink.

The chart that the DMV uses around here goes by body weight. A 170 lb guy is shown to be below .04 after 1 'standard' drink and below .08 after two standard drinks. We had a BAC analyzer at the DZ one night, and it seemed to agree with the above.

[DougH 270]

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Thereby forcing people with naturally shitty balance to pay for a taxi?

In terms of what I'd REALLY like to see, I'd love to see far more brutal penalties for a dui conviction.

Not a $500 fine. Not a night in jail.

The overall costs of a DUI is way more than 500 dollars.

I don't drink and drive, and I don't condone it. At the same time I think a .08 limit is bullshit designed to raise township funds, not protect people.

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That'll help the people who didn't drive to the bar in the first place how?

If they didn't drive to the bar, then they can't drive back home. Therefore, there is no concern about them driving drunk.

they may have walked to the bar from work and have their car parked at work, no need to dragg keys with you.

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My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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Thereby forcing people with naturally shitty balance to pay for a taxi?

In terms of what I'd REALLY like to see, I'd love to see far more brutal penalties for a dui conviction.

Not a $500 fine. Not a night in jail.

The overall costs of a DUI is way more than 500 dollars.

I don't drink and drive, and I don't condone it. At the same time I think a .08 limit is bullshit designed to raise township funds, not protect people.

Don't want to finance the twp/city/state? Simple. Don't drive if you think your even close to the limit. I have no problem at all with DUI convictions carrying obnoxiously high fines and other penalties. I either do my drinking at home, have a DD, or plan ahead to stay wher I am going to be drinking.

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Actually, I like this newer system they have in parts of Japan. It's called "alternate driver" where a sober person drives you home in your car, and a cab/co-worker takes them back to the restaraunt or bar.

It's a flat fee type arrangement. Very convenient too, because you get your car back at your house.

We have "Keys Please" here in Edmonton. They'll (two Key's Please employees) pick you up with their vehicle, one of them drives you and your car home and the other one follows in their car. Cost is less than a one way cab ride and your car is safe and sound at home (as are you!).

'Shell

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