Circumcision reduces HIV infection rate by 50% in Africa

[orribolollie 0]

Am I the only one that noticed the name of a doctor quoted in the article?

"Dr Kevin De Cock"

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Nope! I saw it to..they presented this remarkable theory about circumcision, then it was followed with a public address by the aforementioned Kevin De Cock - yes I did laugh!!!

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[DougH 270]

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If circumcision were so beneficial, its practice in the US wouldn't be confined to only male children. There's a prevalent double-standard in our society that never ceases to baffel me.

So you basically want to have woman sexually mutilated for the sake of equality?

Do you work for the ACLU??!!?

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[vpozzoli 0]

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I never heard of smegma until I saw it in a medical textbook.

Not cutting must be a Euro thing.

Neither have I, and I'm uncut.
Maybe washing oneself properly is also a Euro thing?

Ciao.

Vale

[usedtajump 1]

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Am I the only one that noticed the name of a doctor quoted in the article?

"Dr Kevin De Cock"

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Nope! I saw it to..they presented this remarkable theory about circumcision, then it was followed with a public address by the aforementioned Kevin De Cock - yes I did laugh!!!

He should change his name to Karvin de Cock.

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

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[misskriss 0]

My baby son is NOT circumcised. There was absolutely no reason to have it done. In fact, his pediatrician asked me why I chose not to have him circumcised. I told him iI felt it was unnecessary and he said he agreed. His quote was..."circumcision is WAY overrated." Why put my child through the pain? and for what??
My grandmother said that it would be hard to clean?? This just baffles me. A baby girl is a lot harder to keep clean than an uncircumcised baby boy.

And as far as women not wanting to give blowjobs to uncircumcised men...LOL I haven't heard that one before. Besides not looking any different than a cut penis in certain states of arousal if you know what I mean, I find it to be more fulfilling.
But that's just my personal opinion.

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in a perfect world all women would have their tongues pierced at birth.

i have a book where i jot down little gems i hear people say whether they are inspiring, wrong or just funny. i jot down little things people say in passing and sometimes from dz.com and that just made it in right at the top of the page

That's awesome! You should start a thread and share some of the best ones with us.

in time, always writing down quotes and then losing the notes. this book is big but still pretty new..

i'll give you an example, the last entry before your quote:

"go on caspar, please fuck my cousin! just do it! at least let her suck you off"

by my housemate to me, at his houseparty infront of maybe 10 people in my room with his cousin next to him nodding happily! that quote is shortened, he was wrecked and wouldnt stop pestering me for 20 mins on the subject and tried to bribe me all infront of her...anyway i thought that was odd. (she was a Fugly)

sorry to butt in the convo, you guys need to chill anyway. nothing's going to change, as much as it bugs you, society isnt going to change anytime soon.

That happened to me too! Except my friend came into my work with her while I was super busy with customers.

"Look all she wants to do is fuck. She doesn't care that you have a girlfriend. She won't tell her."

I wanted to because she was hot as hell but we were all mutual friends who hung out daily so I couldn't do it. Weird thing is that same week one of my female coworkers tried to sell the on the same idea with another of my female coworkers.

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Not to mention it looks much better than the last turkey in the shop window look

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Akey 0]

Basically, at the moment, the only reason that circumcision is still wide spread in the US is because of tradition. People can try and BS their way to justify it, but there is no good scientific evidence to support this.
In japan, from a young age, girls had their feet bound in tight shoes so that they had 'tiny feet', a fashionable tradition at the time. This was obviously quite unnecessary, and thankfully, japan became a more cilivised soicety and as such put away with this infringement of human rights.
Here is to hoping...

[SpeedRacer 1]

OK, if/when I have a son I probably won't him circumcised.

All I did was link to an article that seemed to show a strong correlation between circumcision & a reduced chance of getting HIV. It was on the front page of the BBC website a couple days ago.

don't get your dicks in a knot, I'm just the messenger.

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[matt1215 0]

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So you basically want to have woman sexually mutilated for the sake of equality?

On the contrary, I'd like to see routine genital mutilation stop period, regardless of the gender being mutilated.

[wildcard451 0]

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So you basically want to have woman sexually mutilated for the sake of equality?

On the contrary, I'd like to see routine genital mutilation stop period, regardless of the gender being mutilated.

Then don't do it to your son. Circumcision is not the same as female genital mutilation.

One is quite barbaric and the the other is done with barely any pain at all, and doesn't really affect function.

I'm not saying I have a preference on cutting. I'll do whichever one the parents want. I don't particularly agree with the traditional reason that started mass circumcisions in the US, but it has been a tradition for quite a while in the overwhelming majority.

So whatever makes ya happy, go for it.

[Lindercles 0]

Do you have a clear understanding of the basic anatomy involved in the two processes?

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The way I see it, what he is trying to say is that, by forcing (a baby doesn't really have any way to stop you) a baby in having an operation you are violating his rights, weather or not this affects him or is as cruel as female circumcision is not the point.

He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.

[matt1215 0]

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Do you have a clear understanding of the basic anatomy involved in the two processes?

I do . Most people in the US aren't familiar with the intact male anatomy and thus don't appreciate what is lost.

[matt1215 0]

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The way I see it, what he is trying to say is that, by forcing (a baby doesn't really have any way to stop you) a baby in having an operation you are violating his rights, weather or not this affects him or is as cruel as female circumcision is not the point.

Thank you, my friend. Pretty accurate. Compromise of an individuals genital integrity is just that, compromise, regardless of degree.

[Lindercles 0]

Well why didn't you just say that in the first place!

[wildcard451 0]

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Do you have a clear understanding of the basic anatomy involved in the two processes?

I do . Most people in the US aren't familiar with the intact male anatomy and thus don't appreciate what is lost.

Either way, it still works the same. If it's parent preference for a cosmetic look, then so be it. Last time I checked they made every other life altering decision for the child for quite a while.

[livendive 8]

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Do you have a clear understanding of the basic anatomy involved in the two processes?

Apparently I may not.

On a male, the prepuce typically covers the glans penis (head). However when the male becomes sexually aroused, the penis becomes erect, and the glans extends itself beyond the prepuce. Do I have any part of this wrong?

On a female, the prepuce (hood) typically covers the clitoral glans. However when the female becomes sexually aroused, the clitoris can become erect and extend its tip beyond the prepuce (hood). Do I have this correct?

In both cases, the prepuce seems to serve approximately the same function (covering the most sensitive bit), and its removal exposes the glans (note: I'm talking about a clitoridotomy, not a clitoridectomy). So what's the big difference? If it is socially unacceptable to remove the prepuce from a female infant, shouldn't it be equally unacceptable to remove the prepuce from a male infant?

Blues,
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[Lindercles 0]

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I'm talking about a clitoridotomy, not a clitoridectomy

And that right there was the crux of my question. And please note, it was an honest question. A lot of people don't have a clear understanding of the anatomy involved, and I have no way of knowing if anyone who's posted here does or not.

[Gene03 0]

The AIDS question aside, there are tens of thousands of nerve endings in the male foreskin. Removng it causes a loss of sensation during intercourse and a fealing of tightness during erection. Neither of which I would find desirable.
As far a smegma, do you have access to soap and water?
Just google "circumcision" for your own answers.
Ritualistic Sexual Mutilation, plain and simple.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[kbordson 8]

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So what's the big difference? If it is socially unacceptable to remove the prepuce from a female infant, shouldn't it be equally unacceptable to remove the prepuce from a male infant?

There are several difference between male circumcisions and female circumcisions.
First, the time frame in which the procedure is preformed. Male - typically at 24-48hrs of age. Female - typically 5-8yo. (but can vary depending on the traditions)
Next the location of the procedure. Male - hospital environment, sterile conditions. Most use some form of local anesthetic. Female - done in local community (unless the family has enough money to go to the hospital), non sterile, often no anesthetic and requires other family members to restrain the girl.
Finally, longterm implications. Male - less sensitivity with intercourse. Female - psychological impact, sexuality issues/pain on initiation of intercourse, adverse obstetric outcomes

Info on female circumcisioin/FGM:
World Health Organization

I'm not saying that male circumsion is ok (and in fact, if I had a male child, I would most likely decline the circ)... but comparing it to female genital mutilation is NOT apples to apples.

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Do you have a clear understanding of the basic anatomy involved in the two processes?

I do . Most people in the US aren't familiar with the intact male anatomy and thus don't appreciate what is lost.

Either way, it still works the same. If it's parent preference for a cosmetic look, then so be it. Last time I checked they made every other life altering decision for the child for quite a while.

Cosmetic surgery that is non-corrective should be the child's choice (at an appropriate age), not the parents'. A doctor wouldn't think of giving a healthy infant a nose job... why do they find it appropriate to chop off part of his penis just to make it "look better"? Such a personal decision should be left to the person actually affected by the decision.

[Lindercles 0]

I suppose whether or not it's cosmetic surgery is open to interpretation. Purely physically it is, but for a lot of people circumcision has religious significance. They would probably tell you it's more than cosmetic. And if that's what god wants, then it's not up to the individual at all.

[Lindsey 0]

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The way I see it, what he is trying to say is that, by forcing (a baby doesn't really have any way to stop you) a baby in having an operation you are violating his rights, weather or not this affects him or is as cruel as female circumcision is not the point.

Thank you, my friend. Pretty accurate. Compromise of an individuals genital integrity is just that, compromise, regardless of degree.

Parents make a lot of decisions for their children. The children often don't like the choices that their parents made, and there are many, many decisions that affect children more than whether their foreskin is intact. It's just the way it is. Kids gotta have something in their lives to teach 'em to cope. If they can't get past being circumcised, then it's gonna be a hard life.

linz

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[Lindsey 0]

why do they find it appropriate to chop off part of his penis just to make it "look better"?

Circumcisions are done for a lot of reasons besides "just to make it look better." I chose not to have my child circumcised, but there's a lot more to the decision than what a penis looks like. I think that's true for most parents, though I'm sure not all.

I do think it's clear that there can be health risks associated with being uncircumcised. I decided to teach my child to be healthy. But who knows if that will actually work.... It's obvious that in some areas of the country there are social issues around circumcision. Boys still shower together in the locker room. It's a real consideration when you make a decision about what you want for your child.

Either way, again, it's just one of many decisions parents make for their children. Coping skills are good to develop.

linz

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