what roof to use?

[billeisele 130]

the first pic is what I started with, tore it down and rebuilt what is in the second pic

now ready to add the roof on the 16 x 16 foot gazebo

metal or shingles?

the rafter construction is different, shingles require a wood underlayment, metal is harder (for me) to install

Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws.

[Twoply 0]

What part of the country? A lot of sun, wind or rain? A 25 year shingle runs about $40 a square around my parts. Metal roofing, you can pay as much as you want and it's really loud to sit under. It looks like a nice relaxed country area though. I'd go with the asphalt to blend in maybe.

[billeisele 130]

in South Carolina - sun

the metal roofs look great for a long time but the hip roof will have a lot of wasted (expensive) material

looks like i'm headed towards the shingles, with a 5:12 pitch it is about 3 - 3.5 squares, including covering the ridges and double layer at the bottom

3 things i do not enjoy - sheetrock, painting and shingles

Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws.

[2fat2fly 0]

I think that you'd be happier in the long run with metal.

I am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried

[Royd 0]

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the metal roofs look great for a long time but the hip roof will have a lot of wasted (expensive) material

Not if you plan it out properly.

I've always seen the green color oxidize badly after a short time.

Quality metal is forever.

[jimmytavino 16]

bear in mind that with a plywood base and roof shingles, the nails will show through, from below.. even 3/4 inch roofing nails could be a problem... and for durability and wind resistance, the longer the nail the better...

what sort of rafter framing is needed for the metal roof??? How wide are those metal panels??/ 32" ???
nice framing on the deck and posts, it looks like you understand the benefit and technique of Notching the posts,,, as well as sufrace bolting the connection points. looks good..
Looks like you might fit a couple of good sized ice chests on there ,,,,, no problem...jmy

[warpedskydiver 0]

check out the concrete shingles that look like slate, they last well beyond our lifespans and will not ignite

[warpedskydiver 0]

http://www.newsday.com/features/home/nyp-hsdr-033105,0,6290128.column

Home & Garden House Doctor
Gary Dymski

Fooled by faux
No kidding - some synthetic building materials are better than the real things
March 31, 2005

When passersby look at the new roof on the recent addition Mark and Carolyn Lamarr put on their center hall Colonial, it doesn't seem any different from the others in their Garden City community of slate-roofed homes that are more than three quarters of a century old.

But it is. That's because it isn't slate - it just looks like slate.




The roofing shingles on the $125,000 addition are actually made of a lightweight rubberized composite that comes with a 50-year warranty and costs less than half of what a real slate roof would.

More and more, homeowners like the Lamarrs as well as builders and contractors are "going faux," selecting synthetic building materials that look and feel like the real things - wood, stone and slate, for example - but are more durable or less expensive, or both, than their natural counterparts. "Some products look so real you have to go up and knock on them and say to yourself, 'Wait a minute,'" said Brian Rosenstein of S&H Building Material Corp. in Medford.

The list of such products includes polyurethane foam that can be carved to copy intricate architectural millwork and plaster ceiling medallions, cultured stones that appear as if they were lifted out of a Rocky Mountain river bed, and fiberglass doors with grain patterns that look so much like red oak you have to touch them to be sure. And, thermoplastic rubber roof shingles like the ones the Lamarrs used that resemble slate.

For the Lamarrs, the faux slate shingles were a logical choice. Natural slate tiles to complement the existing roof on the rest of their house would have cost nearly $20,000. Asphalt shingles would have been less expensive, "but we just couldn't do that . . .," said Mark, the hockey director at Cantiague Park ice rink in Hicksville. "It just wouldn't have looked right."

Instead, they decided to fake it and went with a roof of Lamarite, a rubberized composite by Tamko that cost nearly $7,000 - about four to five times more than the asphalt option but less than natural slate. And they maintained the aesthetic integrity of their house as well as that of the neighborhood of homes built by the Mott brothers in the 1930s.

Looks also mattered to Peter Caradonna of Stony Brook. That's why the architect called his choice of exterior siding on the historic cross-gable farmhouse he remodeled a few years ago a "no-brainer."

He picked fiber-cement siding - Hardiplank lap siding and shake shingles by James Hardie Corp., an industry leader in the faux material that looks and costs almost the same as cedar. "The home goes back to the 1890s," he explained, "and we set out to reconstruct the original design."

Caradonna, whose architectural firm is in Setauket, dismissed wood because of its high maintenance and weak performance against insects and the humid Long Island summers. "Vinyl was out, too, because it emits toxic gasses when it's improperly disposed of in the ground or when it burns. And I wanted a material that passes what I call the five-foot test," he said.

To translate, Caradonna's test means the fiber cement looks so real it can't be distinguished from wood until you get within five feet. And even then, most people who touch the synthetic lap siding and cedar shingles still can't be sure. Besides, he said, "with fiber cement, you know it's going to last."

Which, of course, is important to builders and contractors, who also are embracing these products. Contractor Mike Cannavale of Diversified Contracting in Bellmore has been using EverGrain, a synthetic lumber, to build decks the past few years. "Unlike wood, it has a consistency in color and size," Cannavale said. "It doesn't crack or splinter, and homeowners like it because it is virtually maintenance-free."

Natale Borriello of NBC Corp. in Woodmere has built three covered porches using TenduraPlank, a tongue-and-groove synthetic porch lumber. Although it can be brittle and crack during installation in cold weather, Borriello loves the way it looks when finished. "I'd definitely use it on my own house," he said. "It looks absolutely wonderful."

On a larger scale, two new developments feature fibercement siding. The Holiday Organization of Westbury is using a line of CertainTeed fiber-cement siding on all 102 homes in its Hamlet Estates of Jericho. And Pulte Homes of Medford is covering the exterior of the 189 villa-style and semiattached houses in its Westhampton Pines with Hardiplank siding. "When builders start using these materials," said S&H's Rosenstein, "it's a sign they've become acceptable, that they are durable, reliable and low-maintenance."

NEW AGE MATERIALS FOR MODERN HOME CONSTRUCTION

CULTURED STONE

Also known as artificial stone and brick veneer, these materials are created by pouring lightweight concrete into molds made from real stones and brick. Manufacturers can copy natural stone and a variety of brick styles to the tiniest detail. Because shapes and sizes of stones used to make molds are hand-picked, the artificial versions are easy to piece together. Cultured stone is used as exterior siding, in fireplace surrounds, landscape borders, security fencing and to decorate interior walls. It's lighter than natural stone, so there are significant savings in labor. The cost ranges from one-third to one-half less than natural materials.

FIBER-CEMENT SIDING

This high-end siding - made of cement, sand and cellulose fiber cured with pressurized steam - mimics wood planks, cedar shakes and vertical panels. The fiber helps prevent cracking, a common problem in concrete, and provides dimensional stability so the material can bend without easily breaking. Although it costs almost the same as premium cedar wood siding, fiber cement resists fire, insects and moisture and is impervious to UV rays. Most manufacturers offer several styles, including a cedar shake, and all have limited warranties.

[jumpinfarmer 0]

I'd never use shingles again unless it was totaly necessary. I had a dark green steel roof put on my house last spring. It went right over the old shingles and there is no more noise from the rain than with the old shingles. Also had a steel roof put on a barn just last week. Shingles just don't seem to last as long as they used too and blow off in the wind.

As for installing a steel roof it is very simple. The sheets come 36" wide and come cut to the length you order. The ridge cap and trim edges are all pre made. You just screw it in place with the self tapping screws that come with the roofing.

Hope that helps.