What the Bleep! Do we know? movie..

[SkydiveNFlorida 0]

Movie/Documentary involving quantum physics... Anyone seen it? I thought it was cool, but not sure how the uninitiated would like it. I think that you might want some exposure to the ideas of quantum physics, chemistry, biology, etc before going to see it... but I consider myself pretty new to these subjects myself and I enjoyed it. Makes you think (not something i'd want to see drunk.)

http://www.whatthebleep.com/
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[kimgriffin 0]

Excellent documentary! Very thought provoking and well done (not boring... to the contrary!)

I hear it's coming out on video mid/late March.

[SkydiveNFlorida 0]

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Excellent documentary! Very thought provoking and well done (not boring... to the contrary!)

I hear it's coming out on video mid/late March.

Yeah, I saw that on the website. This is the first movie since pulp fiction that i've actually felt the need to buy. Several times during the movie I had the urge to pause it and ponder, but can't do that in the theatre. I will be glad to make this the first dvd I have actually purchased (aside from Pilates.)

Glad you liked it! Doesn't seem too popular (look at all the replies to this post!!), but I think anyone who likes science or is interested in the body, our purpose here, physics, etc, would enjoy this! :)

-A

[linny 1]

Dude, "What the Bleep" is awesome!!!

A DVD is crucial for this movie. I can't WAIT to pause it and actually have a second to think about what they're saying.

I do have to say though, that the entire re-enacted party scene is retarded.

Definitely a MUST SEE

[SkydiveNFlorida 0]

yeah, I felt the story was really secondary to the "talking heads." But, all-in-all I got what I went in for:)

-A

[Luna 0]

Actually, this movie in amazingly popular. If you check the web site, you'll see some theaters have held it over for as long as six months!! They put out a book already, I forget the name, something like "Little Bleeps" or something. It has lots of quotes from the movie. I already bought that and have the DVD on pre-order.

I consider this movie a must-see for anyone! I took some friends who have no ideas about quantum physics, and they loved it. I have done a lot of studying of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP), which can be used to overcome things like addictions, phobias, depression, ADD, etc., and this movie really gets to the heart of NLP...that we create our own reality. It's a revolutionary idea, and to some, unbelievable, but quantum physics supports it fully.

I loved the part about the water crystals! How awesome was that?? There are several books by that doctor about all the different experiments he has done. If anyone believes that their thoughts or beliefs do not have an effect on their physical body, they are misinformed! The scientific and medical communities are finally awakening to this fact as well.

In short, if you haven't seen this movie, you MUST! If you can't find a theater playing it, get the DVD when it comes out in a few weeks! And then share it with everyone you know!

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[kimgriffin 0]

I was suprised too that more people didn't chime in about seeing What the Bleep.

I agree with you on the water crystals! Very very cool to see scientific proof on the power of thought.

For anybody who wonders what the heck we're talking about, here is some info about Dr
Masaru Emoto's water crystal study:
http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/

Info on Masaru Emoto's studies:
http://www.wellnessgoods.com/messages.asp
"From Mr. Emotos work we are provided with factual evidence, that human vibrational energy, thoughts, words, ideas and music, affect the molecular structure of water, the very same water that comprises over seventy percent of a mature human body and covers the same amount of our planet."

-Kimberly Griffin

[philh 0]

I just saw this movie and so apologies for being behind the times.
But I think it is very misleading film and if you read on you will see why.
First off there's one part of it I like , the rest is BS, and that is people need to take responsibilit for their actions - cool, agreed. Now the BS

1.YOU CANNOT CREATE YOUR REALITY WITH QM

First off the films main claims are that Quantum Mechanincs (QM) implies that consciousness creates reality. This is not remotely correct. Whilst the act of observation interferes with and changes an event that in no way implies a person can chose the outcome of the event. In classical physics positions and momentums are thought to be given outside of the role of the observer. In QM it is realised that in order to observe something we need to see it and that means bouncing photons off whatever we're obvserviing, these photons change the position of the particle we are obsvering. So yes our consicousness can interact with the sub atomic world in unepected ways in QM. Does that mean we can create our reality? No of course not. Just as your actions when you role the dice in a craps game determine the outcome doesnt means you can decide to role 2 6,s , snake eyes etc.

A classic thought eperiment in Qm is the Schroedingers Cat paradox. The film makers claim Qm is a science of possibilites, to some extent this is true. But not in the way they say. In this (thought) experiment a cat is placed in a box with lethal device. The device will go off and kill the cat depending upon a probabilistic QM event. In QM the act of observation collapses the wave function and turns the probabilistic event into an actual outcome.But what happens to the cat before it is observed? Now there are many interpretations of this paradox, one of which is the parralel worlds hypotheis which says before the box is opened the cat is dead in one unvierse and alive in another the act of opening the box decided which universe we are in. Another interpreation is that the reailty doesnt exist until the wave function exists.Although even in this interpretation its the act of interacting with the enviroment that collapses the wave function not necessarily the conscious act of observation. But heres the kicker, whichever interpreation you choose there is no way in QM that the observer can chose for the cat to be alive or dead and this is the main point. Just becuase an even is probablistic and has an interaction with an observer does not in any way mean the observer can determine the outcome. SO the primary message of the film is just BS. It has nothing whatsoever to do with QM.

2. QM HAS LITTLE DO WITH OUR LIVES
QM is probabilistic and classical physics is deterministic. These differences are of interest in a abstract philisophical way. But the film implies this has implication for how we live our lives. No it doesn't. At a macroscopic level the differences between QM and classical physics are as close to zero to be considered zero. For example in classical physics if you throw an object like a tennis ball at a solid wall then it will bounce back at you. IN QM things are different there is possibility that the ball will go straight through the wall. But QM tells us that whilst that it is possible it is very unlikely. I am told that the likelihood is 10 to the power 23.45 billion to 1. Thast a big number ,think 10 to the power of 2 is 100 to the power of 3 is 1000. To the power of 23.45 billion, well its never going to happen is it? For sub atomic particles, that need less energy to tunnel, and where there are large amount s of them , it can happen. But clearly the effect does not translate to the macroscopic world . So the whilst sub atomic particles might be able to do strange things it doesn not mean we can. We cant walk on water or through walls, whenever someone does its magic trick not anything to do whith QM. At the macroscopic level QM and classicla physics are effectivley the same so the whole premise of the film collapses.

3.
CELLS ARE NOT CONSCIOUSS
The film talk a lot about the brain and how thoughts are created there and then goes on to say cells are consiouss, but erm excuse me ,have you forgotten cells dont have brains? Did no one spot this huge contradiction? Perhps thats why we didnt all laugh at the chap that said he creats his own reality each day. Does he win the lottery every week? I doubt it.

4 THE NATIVE AMERICANS COULDNT SEE THE EUROPEAN SHIPS
In the film they claim the native Americans couldnt see in 1492 European ships becasue theyd never seen the ships before and therefore they hadnt created the reailty of it. Where on earth do they get this stuff from? The native Americans didnt keep written records so I suggest they just made it up. Does that mean when planes first flew no one could see them? Did no one see the IPOD nano when it was luanched? its hard to take such views seriously.

5 WATER HAS NO EMOTIONS
In the movie the claims of DR emoto are stated as facts. He claims water reacts to emotional states. he placed words sudh as love on one sample and got pretty images and negative words like hate and got ugly images. These we are told are water molecules captured by a dark field microscope. Its very important stuff since are bodies are mostly water. UHm hang on a sec. If these water images were in you body you would be dead. Why? Becuase they are not pictures of water molecules at all but ice crystals. Crystal patterns are very sensitive to their intial conditions and you can get lots of patterns. What Emoto did has neverr been reproduced by scientifc checking. indeed James Randi has said his conclusion would qualify for his $1m prize(for anyone who proves the supernatural) if they could be, but suprise suprise Dr emoto doesnt want the $1m. Real science double blinds expermients. Dr Emoto doesnt't.

6 THE POWER OF THOUGHT DIDNT REDUCE THE DC CRIME WAVE
The movie tells us about a bunch of of Transcedental MEditationists(TM) who reduced the crime wave by 25%(although the authors of the study claimed 18%) in DC in 1993 by meditating. In fact this "reduction" was in comparison with what the TM chaps projected the crime rate would have been wihtout them. The actual cirme rate was up.

THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE MOVIE
Well there are some respectable scientist here for example David Albert of Columbia UNi this is what we had to say about it:
"I was edited in such a way as to completely suppress my actual views about the matters the movie discusses. I am, indeed, profoundly unsympathetic to attempts at linking quantum mechanics with consciousness. Moreover, I explained all that, at great length, on camera, to the producers of the film ... Had I known that I would have been so radically misrepresented in the movie, I would certainly not have agreed to be filmed."

Many of the other talking heads are part of a cult group called the Ramtha School of enlightment. Did you wonder who the woman with the blonde hair and the red top was? If you stayed for the end of the movie you will see she is listed as Ramtha channeled by JZ Knight. Ramtha is supposed 35,000 year old being from Atlantis who is channeled by this woman to give us wisdom. Still sound lik science? In fact this film is financed and created by memebers of this cult as a subtle advert. I suggest we don't buy their product.

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Hey Philh, maybe you've missed the point of the movie.
And maybe the movie-makers have confused conciousness with awareness, they're two different things. Physicists cannot eliminate awareness (or conciousness, or information, whatever) from their measurements of sub-atomic behaviour, leading them to the conclusion that awareness is a fundamental property of it. You need a nervous system to think, but awareness is not the same thing as thought, ask any meditator.

Have you heard of the 'Wigner's friend' hypothesis? It's the extension of any QM experiment whereby the experimenter is informed of the 'result' by another observer. Look closely at what has happened to the experiment- Wigner's friend has entered the experimenters formula! This is more like the point of the movie- each individual is at the center of their own universe, just as we observe in our day-to-day lives.

Of course Quantum events have an effect on our lives, every macro event begins at the quantum level!

The movie points out that changing your perception changes your world, not that it changes somebody else's world. Existence is personal.

Of course the frozen water crystals could have been faked. I bought "The Hidden Messages in Water" and there's nothing objective in the author's claims.
I don't believe the native americans couldn't "see" the Spanish ships, but there's a huge language/cultural difference and that has probably been mis-translated, to the producers benefit. And although I don't place any value on "channelling" that doesn't make JZ Knight's words any less true. The method of delivery doesn't change the truth in the message.

Remember Philh, the movie is for you to do with as you like. If you follow the producers claims you'll see that 'it' will 'work' for those who believe and it won't for those who don't.

Choose wisely,
Frank

[SpeedRacer 1]

I thought it was a cool movie for parts of it. I believe you CAN control your reality to the extent that you can control your emotional state, which can in turn influence the chemistry going on in your brain. And that can be a very powerful tool in life.

However, beyond that, there was just so much fluffy-headed, new-Age-y Bullshit in there that was not necessary. Why couldn't they just stick to the real stuff & leave out the bullshit?

Speed Racer
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[KindredSpirit 0]

That movie is not very scientific. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
If you really want to learn about quantum physics then watch this:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

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[Peej 0]

I thought i'd revive this thread instead of starting a new one... I saw this movie last night on DVD and WOW, what a ride! Has anyone else seen it recently? It really opned up my eyes to a few things. I ordered it today so i can watch it a few more times and hopefully absorb some more of it each time.

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[philh 0]

Perhaps you could reaad my critique of this nonsense movie before you watch it a few more times. I would be happy to continute to debate ti with you. Bascially this movie is total baloney from a ridiculous cult. See my post above as for why.