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Oh jesus, the diamond commercials are already back?

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mined by people in near-slave like conditions controlled by companies who,



Just be cautious about generalising here please.

The mines in SA where alot of the diamonds come from are supporting hundreds of thousands of families, putting food on the table and providing jobs for hundreds of thousands of people that are not native to SA.
They provide work for lots of the immigrants coming from war and poverty stricken countries like Malawi and Zimbabwe.

The mines are Unionised, so working conditions and pay are not "slave like conditions" so becareful about making statements like that. It is not the movies here. There is a new movie coming out with Leonardo called blood diamonds. That is also not a true reflection of the mining industry here.

Diamond and gold exports are a major source of income for our country which is relatively poor compared to Australia and the States and our currency battles against these two countries too.
So by your statement slating the Diamond industry, you are encouraging people to not buy something that can help my countries economy and in turn help me to get overseas to train and compete in the sport I love, because my currency will go for a ball of shit if we don't have a good export trade.

I really don't like spending 2 months salary on a new canopy or 4 months salary on going to a world meet. But keep up the slating of my countries exports and I am sure I will beable to turn to prostitution soon to support my sport.

Anytime you want to come over and get a first hand experience of the operations here, let me know and I will fetch you from the airport.

Oh, and by the way, there are a few mines closing down and there are outcries from the workers that will be out of jobs. Go figure!!:|
Not really slaves then hey?

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My husband proposed to me, in a very romantic setting, on Valentine's day with a candy heart that said "marry me". I replied with a candy heart that said "I do". I encased both of the hearts and the sweet card he made for me.

He later bought me a pretty diamond ring and for our anniversary, a pretty sapphire. The only rings I have ever owned. But I still adore the candy heart, and its meaning much more. I agree, marketing has a lot to do with people thinking that it's needed for love. It's not. I would happily give up both rings right now for him to sleep by my side just tonight (he is in Iraq).

I have a friend who had a very expensive wedding, with a $5000 dress and $12000 ring,..only for the marriage to crumble in less than two years. Some people put more emphasis on the symbols, and the wedding than they do on the marriage. it's a shame.



I was about to give you a full body check into the boards for your first reply but then you saved you're self with your second post. IMO, a simple piece of paper with a cute picture(hand drawn by the sender, not hallmark) and an "I love you" at the bottom is worth ten thousand of the purest diamonds

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I am -so- buying lab diamonds if I ever find myself in a situation fucked up enough where my SO feels she NEEDS something with diamonds.



Just my personal opinion here:

I have a natural diamond ring. A pretty high quality one at that. Clarity, color- everything. It has a minor imperfection that can be seen in the right light with a magnifying glass. I love it! I know that it took thousands of years to develop, and the imperfection makes it very unique. If there were a thousand diamonds, I could sort through them and find mine. To me, that is also what makes natural diamonds so attractive. I would much rather that than a "perfect" lab-made,..fast food, factory style diamond that took a mere fraction of time to make.

Same thing with my sapphire ring. Many sapphires out there are beautiful, "perfect" and made in a lab. Mine is a natural and has an imperfection that can be seen with the naked eye. Again, I would not trade it for the most "perfect" lab made rock out there. It is unique and tells a story.
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I'm just not a diamond type girl. It's a bit too flashy for me. My engagement/wedding ring is a star sapphire with two small diamonds for accent. My other ring is a claddagh from a friend. But I work with my hands a bit, so I usually have both on a leather chain around my neck with my connemara stone. Typically don't wear any other jewelry, but I do like my Mikimoto pearls and Jade from Guatemala.



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Anytime you want to come over and get a first hand experience of the operations here, let me know and I will fetch you from the airport.



THIS would be worth the two months pay! I would LOVE to travel there and see the people and culture for myself!

If I'm ever in that area, I will look you up!! :)

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Bev,

Thanks for setting them straight on this.

One thing to think about:
"There is a new movie coming out with Leonardo called blood diamonds. That is also not a true reflection of the mining industry here."

There is a reality behind this movie that has nothing to do with the day to day running of the economics of Africa. During the war in the DRC between two radical factions, diamonds were used to purchase weapons by the armies on both sides, this war left hundreds of thousands dead, mutilated or displaced.

These diamonds that were bought by Europe and America, were in fact "Blood Diamonds" illegal and sold for the purpose of death.

If it was not for the ones who now point fingers at Africa for the labor conditions, these diamonds would never have been sold or traded for weapons.

Make me think of Guns for Oil ....... or is it democracy?

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But keep up the slating of my countries exports and I am sure I will beable to turn to prostitution soon to support my sport.



So basically, if I hack on diamonds, a hot skychick will become interested in having sex with me....where's the downside? :D;)

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Dave
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If it was not for the ones who now point fingers at Africa for the labor conditions, these diamonds would never have been sold or traded for weapons.



and having been an manager in the UK, Germany and South Africa, I have to say the labour laws here in SA are very much in the workers' favour rather than the employer than even in Germany, let alone that capitalistic Thatcherite country I call home at times!

tash
Don't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe

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One of the really good things about this site is that we get to hear another side of the story form some one living on the other side of the planet. I am glad to hear that conditions and not as bad as we have been told.

However I am really against the 2 months Salary Diamond engagement ring for entirely different reasons..

1. Its STUPID for a young couple struggling to get started in life to waste that kind of money that has no purpose at all other than to impress the Bride to be`s Friends.

2. It is manufactured tradition. Prior to the early 1900, Diamonds were pretty useless stones until debeers created a way to convince the world (or at least the US) that a "diamond" engagement ring was the only acceptable way to propose. Hogwash.

I always tell my friends, Use that Two Months salary towards a down payment on a House. Now THAT is an Engagement Gift!. And investment in your future together.

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Not true... many countries have long traditions of wearing jewellery and respecting the diamond - India being just one of them. Prior to the 1900s diamonds were not useless/valueless. To add to that (being a wikipedia geek) the 1900s were not even when engagement/wedding rings were first conceptualised - "The inception of the engagement ring itself can be tied to Pope Innocent III in 1215. Innocent declared a longer waiting period between betrothal and marriage; plain rings of gold, silver or iron were used earliest. Gems as important and reassuring status symbols were used by the aristocracy." Debeers however, did market it very very well in the 20th century making it almost de rigueur

If some women choose to wear diamonds just for their friends - lab diamonds should suffice... most wear it for themselves. The beauty of a real diamond along with the long and amazing process involved in creating it gives it value. Also diamonds are most often associated with marriage as they are the hardest stone- the longest lasting - which is meant to signify the permanency of the marriage/man's intention. This could all be more marketing attaching significance to the hardness of a diamond - but IF I'm going to wear one piece of jewellery every day for the rest of my married life - it better be pretty! :)

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1. You've Been Psychologically Conditioned To Want a Diamond
The diamond engagement ring is a 63-year-old invention of N.W.Ayer advertising agency. The De Beers diamond cartel contracted N.W.Ayer to create a demand for what are, essentially, useless hunks of rock.

2. Diamonds are Priced Well Above Their Value
The De Beers cartel has systematically held diamond prices at levels far greater than their abundance would generate under anything even remotely resembling perfect competition. All diamonds not already under its control are bought by the cartel, and then the De Beers cartel carefully managed world diamond supply in order to keep prices steadily high.

3. Diamonds Have No Resale or Investment Value
Any diamond that you buy or receive will indeed be yours forever: De Beers’ advertising deliberately brain-washed women not to sell; the steady price is a tool to prevent speculation in diamonds; and no dealer will buy a diamond from you. You can only sell it at a diamond purchasing center or a pawn shop where you will receive a tiny fraction of its original "value."


Toward the end of the 1950s, N. W. Ayer reported to De Beers that twenty years of advertisements and publicity had had a pronounced effect on the American psyche. "Since 1939 an entirely new generation of young people has grown to marriageable age," it said. "To this new generation a diamond ring is considered a necessity to engagements by virtually everyone." The message had been so successfully impressed on the minds of this generation that those who could not afford to buy a diamond at the time of their marriage would "defer the purchase" rather than forgo it.

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1. Thats fine they're pretty and I like sparkly things! :P The first noted diamond engagement ring was given in the 1400s - an Austrian prince to his future wife... I already said rings (with stones) have been given since at least the 1200s. Indians for over 2500 years have used diamonds in their iconography - diamonds have associations with divinty for some. However, I did agree with you that DeBeers did some serious marketing in the early 20th century.

2. DeBeers has lost 60% of its market share in the last decade or so... however, I agree they are still monopolistic

3. Buy a good quality unset stone (have it certified) resale value is almost unaffected (you may even make a profit) - its the setting of the stone that ruins its resale value. To do so you may purchase unset stones all over the world - world favourites include: Antwerp, Israel and India. Though why would I want to sell my diamonds?;) Its quite easy to purchase and sell unset stones even if you are not a dealer yourself.

I also agreed that in the last 100 years or so an engagement ring preferably with diamond has become the norm - however, the size/quality/and expense of said ring is up to future husband and wife. Some people save the money and give heirlooms - which is a lovely gesture. A ring is essentially a present from husband to wife that says I want to be with you for the rest of my life. You can do so with anything... rig, house, etc. Just up to individual choice.

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A lot of women won't even take their engagement/wedding rings off when they go to bed.



I'm one of them.I actually NEVER take my wedding ring off no matter what I'm doing...sleeping,showering, hunting,a day at the range...everything.Its been off my finger once since he put it on my finger the day of our wedding and that was to have it sized.He is the same way,his never comes off.If,for some reason we do have to take them off,then when its put back on my husband places it back on my hand and I his.

Its just a family tradition.My parents are the same way.Their rings have been off a total of 3 times in their 29yrs of marriage.


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One of the really good things about this site is that we get to hear another side of the story form some one living on the other side of the planet.



Yeah, we can learn from first hand experience

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However I am really against the 2 months Salary Diamond engagement ring for entirely different reasons..



I would not spend that on a ring either. But a rig is a different story. A new Velo would be worth it's weight in gold!!

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hahaha YES that is GREAT - i love that episode - family guy is just awesome like that ;)

and sometimes i think it's a lot of hype too - i mean granted there are some cases where the guy really just wants to buy the girl a really nice diamond because he loves her - but some just do it because that's what they're "supposed" to do

also sure diamonds CAN be forever - but apparently over 50% of the time the feelings behind them aren't
"life does throw curveballs sometimes but it doesn't mean we shouldn't still swing for the homerun" ~ me

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