cowboybob 0 #1 March 24, 2007 Anyone jumping a superraven for a main? What is your wing loading? How does it perform for you? how many jumps do you have on it? thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #2 March 25, 2007 There's a guy I know that jumps at Goshen that uses his old raven 3 (254') for a main. He loads it about .8. He likes it fine for flying and has nice landings for a non-ZP. The openings are rough though, it is a reserve and opens quick. He just bought a new rig with a Sabre 2 to get softer openings."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #3 March 25, 2007 If you don't mind me asking, what the fuck for?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #4 March 25, 2007 Raven's were sold as mains and reserves. I jumped a big one for a couple of years after I busted up an ankle. There is nothing wrong with a Raven or any other 7 cell non zp canopy as long as you know what your getting. Thats all we had for 15 years. The canopy will "wear out" as the permiability of the fabric increases. Expect to have a life of 500 to 800 jumps. YMMV Usually they had dacron lines and the lines, other than steering lines, ususally lasted the life of the canopy. They are not as sensitive to trim so we never worried about it. We RARELY ever loaded them to 1:1. I was jumping an oversized main with my bad ankle at 0.7. Later I had a Manta. I had these big canopies because I couldn't take a running step. If I had any forward speed left I had to slide the landing on my butt. Then that changed and I bought my first ZP, a Sabre 190. I had both the Manta 280 (non zp) and the Sabre 190 in two rigs that I jumped interchangably. Out the door was about 230. (I put on weight when I couldn't excersise anymore.) When I wanted a guarenteed soft landing I grabbed the Sabre. Ravens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. If you have limited funds and only want your main to safely land you after your skydive is finished then a 7 cell non zp will do the job. Just make sure it's big enough. Also if you have to go slow and steep into a demo or tight area a big non zp will do that well. IF you want to fly your canopy as part of the fun and not just because you can't survive a terminal landing then you need a newer design.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutton 0 #5 March 26, 2007 Check your messages, friend. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #6 March 26, 2007 QuoteRavens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. I dunno... I put one jump on a raven 170 (dunno which model that is) to test it when someone was complaining of a built-in turn. It opened MUCH harder than my PD150, which I'd say opens fast but not "hard." I've been jumping the PD150 all winter while my Sabre2 was getting relined. It's like slamming the brakes in your car. The raven was more like hitting a brick wall. The sabre2... ahhhh... jumped it saturday... it's like jumping into a pool of jello. The raven flew fine... like driving a bus I guess. Landed ok, for an old 7-cell. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sky15 0 #7 March 26, 2007 I jumped my old Raven I reserve as a main for a few years, I weighed 130-135ish without gear. Worked fine..then the zp canopies came out and I made the switch. Nothing wrong IMO with jumping one but I do think they are best lightly loaded. I remember thinking I would not have wanted a smaller one back then for landings. It's been over 12 years so I really don't remember any other details, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naptown 0 #8 March 26, 2007 There is absolutely nothing wrong for you to use this as your main! It is my main and has been so for a few years. I have my reasons...... If money is your issue and you just need something to keep you from bouncing after a jump then it is good, if you want to practice accuracy on every jump then it is good, etc..... Just don't overload it and roll the nose Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cowboybob 0 #9 March 27, 2007 ya, I only do a few skydives a year, maybe bridge day, I am ok with f111, like you said , as long as you do not load them up to bad. For a strickly skydiving canopy z p is the way to go for most people. I never jumped tired f111, but I have seen a few tired rags sold to new jumpers, and I watched them thump in!!! And, then you here these people say, man don't buy one of those, I had one they are crap, go figure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tornolf 0 #10 March 27, 2007 QuoteI never jumped tired f111, but I have seen a few tired rags sold to new jumpers, and I watched them thump in!!! And, then you here these people say, man don't buy one of those, I had one they are crap, go figure. People often talk about things they don't know much about. As long as you treat a F111 canopy like you're supposed to, it should be fine. Listen to Scott A waddling elephant seal is the cutest thing in the entire world. -TJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #11 March 28, 2007 QuoteRavens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. Yeah, I hear that Terry... one day we're going to have a bunch of "kids" telling us that doing hop-n-pops from 2 to 3 grand isn't "safe". ---- Remember, the purpose of a main is to get you down safe when performing an intentional descent from an aircraft using a parachute. A Super Raven that isn't ragged out or overloaded will do that just fine... you just won't "look cool" in the eyes of a lot of folks in the sport doing it, but you're not supposed to die either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #12 March 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteRavens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. Yeah, I hear that Terry... one day we're going to have a bunch of "kids" telling us that doing hop-n-pops from 2 to 3 grand isn't "safe". They all ready are.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peckerhead 0 #13 March 28, 2007 Man, I remember when I bought my first Raven. That was the hot canopy in 1986. Cheap too! A few years later I got a "Super" Raven. Could be used as both a main or a reserve. Those were the days! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #14 March 28, 2007 Whose fault is that? You old farts need to stop letting us get away with stuff like that. Set us straight, we just need some sport death mentors. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fcajump 164 #15 March 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteRavens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. Yeah, I hear that Terry... one day we're going to have a bunch of "kids" telling us that doing hop-n-pops from 2 to 3 grand isn't "safe". They all ready are. I remember when opening above 3 was considered "unsafe." Have no problem with a hop-n-pop at 2, just let me change out my Spectre for something a little more crisp... But then its now possible for a 1000 jumper to never have gotten out below 9k, except for those extremely low student short delays at 5k... JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #16 March 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteRavens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. Yeah, I hear that Terry... one day we're going to have a bunch of "kids" telling us that doing hop-n-pops from 2 to 3 grand isn't "safe". They all ready are. Well, then let's really freak em out and drag a 2-way off at 3.5, snap a point or two, track, dump... pack opening by 2K, of course... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #17 March 29, 2007 THAT I usually didn't do. Just because I know it would be barely turn and dump. And I don't much like hitting 2000' at terminal. I was never quite that crazy.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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cowboybob 0 #9 March 27, 2007 ya, I only do a few skydives a year, maybe bridge day, I am ok with f111, like you said , as long as you do not load them up to bad. For a strickly skydiving canopy z p is the way to go for most people. I never jumped tired f111, but I have seen a few tired rags sold to new jumpers, and I watched them thump in!!! And, then you here these people say, man don't buy one of those, I had one they are crap, go figure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornolf 0 #10 March 27, 2007 QuoteI never jumped tired f111, but I have seen a few tired rags sold to new jumpers, and I watched them thump in!!! And, then you here these people say, man don't buy one of those, I had one they are crap, go figure. People often talk about things they don't know much about. As long as you treat a F111 canopy like you're supposed to, it should be fine. Listen to Scott A waddling elephant seal is the cutest thing in the entire world. -TJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #11 March 28, 2007 QuoteRavens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. Yeah, I hear that Terry... one day we're going to have a bunch of "kids" telling us that doing hop-n-pops from 2 to 3 grand isn't "safe". ---- Remember, the purpose of a main is to get you down safe when performing an intentional descent from an aircraft using a parachute. A Super Raven that isn't ragged out or overloaded will do that just fine... you just won't "look cool" in the eyes of a lot of folks in the sport doing it, but you're not supposed to die either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #12 March 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteRavens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. Yeah, I hear that Terry... one day we're going to have a bunch of "kids" telling us that doing hop-n-pops from 2 to 3 grand isn't "safe". They all ready are.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #13 March 28, 2007 Man, I remember when I bought my first Raven. That was the hot canopy in 1986. Cheap too! A few years later I got a "Super" Raven. Could be used as both a main or a reserve. Those were the days! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #14 March 28, 2007 Whose fault is that? You old farts need to stop letting us get away with stuff like that. Set us straight, we just need some sport death mentors. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #15 March 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteRavens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. Yeah, I hear that Terry... one day we're going to have a bunch of "kids" telling us that doing hop-n-pops from 2 to 3 grand isn't "safe". They all ready are. I remember when opening above 3 was considered "unsafe." Have no problem with a hop-n-pop at 2, just let me change out my Spectre for something a little more crisp... But then its now possible for a 1000 jumper to never have gotten out below 9k, except for those extremely low student short delays at 5k... JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #16 March 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteRavens only open hard relatively speaking. But then I think a Spectre and a Sabre 2 are streamers that eventually clear. I like my mains to open in 300-400 ft at terminal but I'm also comfortable getting out at 2000'. Most people these days consider these hard openings. Yeah, I hear that Terry... one day we're going to have a bunch of "kids" telling us that doing hop-n-pops from 2 to 3 grand isn't "safe". They all ready are. Well, then let's really freak em out and drag a 2-way off at 3.5, snap a point or two, track, dump... pack opening by 2K, of course... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #17 March 29, 2007 THAT I usually didn't do. Just because I know it would be barely turn and dump. And I don't much like hitting 2000' at terminal. I was never quite that crazy.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
