freeflir29 0 #26 September 28, 2006 QuoteI only wash it if Clay fucked it. And ruin the "Special Sauce?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 September 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteI only wash it if Clay fucked it. And ruin the "Special Sauce?" I take it that you didn't tell her that it *wasn't* tzaziki in that gyro, hmm? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #28 September 28, 2006 Damn.............you almost got me. I SO almost replied something else to this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 September 28, 2006 QuoteDamn.............you almost got me. I SO almost replied something else to this. Who, me?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1215 0 #30 September 28, 2006 You're supposed to wash chicken?? I usually start cooking it when it's still frozen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #31 September 28, 2006 Always, always Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #32 September 28, 2006 Yeah, this was definitely news to me. I've never seen Rachael Ray do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #33 September 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteDamn.............you almost got me. I SO almost replied something else to this. Who, me? _____________________________________ You too? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #34 September 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteCooking DOES kill the bacteria. But if there was a sufficient quantity of bacteria on the meat to begin with, it can still make you sick. Not likely, but possible. The coating of a gram-negative bacteria such as E coli or Salmonella is covered with Lipopolysaccharide, an endotoxin which does not break down with cooking, even when the bacteria itself is dead. That is why if a piece of meat has already spoiled, you shouldn't eat it even if you do cook it thoroughly. The bacteria will be dead, but the endotoxin on all those little bacteria corpses will still be there & will still make you sick. Unless you slaughtered the bird yourself in the backyard, there's no reason to wash it. Just handle it properly and cook it to the proper temperature. Cooking to 72 C (160 F) for poultry (turkeys should be 80 C or 180 F for those thinking of burning a bird for Thanksgiving) is recommended to avoid the trots, but the main reason for not eating well-cooked spoiled poultry is that the bacterial counts are much greater than the fresh product. So if the 72 C temperature is not reached, there is a greater chance of an infectious dose of bacterial cells remaining on the food. And cross-contamination becomes a greater concern. That, plus it is kind of gross to cook and eat spoiled food. yeah, you're probably right. You probably usually don't need to wash off a fresh chicken from the supermarket, as long as you cook it properly. But again, I'm saying that if food is spoiled, it means it has a truckload of bacteria laying on it. Which will make you sick even if you successfully cook it until all the bacteria are dead. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #35 September 28, 2006 You know what I love? I understood everything you said in that prior post. That just made my day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #36 September 28, 2006 Yes, I soak it in a bag of bourboun to get the suckers nice and drunk."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quack 0 #37 September 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteCooking DOES kill the bacteria. But if there was a sufficient quantity of bacteria on the meat to begin with, it can still make you sick. Not likely, but possible. The coating of a gram-negative bacteria such as E coli or Salmonella is covered with Lipopolysaccharide, an endotoxin which does not break down with cooking, even when the bacteria itself is dead. That is why if a piece of meat has already spoiled, you shouldn't eat it even if you do cook it thoroughly. The bacteria will be dead, but the endotoxin on all those little bacteria corpses will still be there & will still make you sick. Unless you slaughtered the bird yourself in the backyard, there's no reason to wash it. Just handle it properly and cook it to the proper temperature. Cooking to 72 C (160 F) for poultry (turkeys should be 80 C or 180 F for those thinking of burning a bird for Thanksgiving) is recommended to avoid the trots, but the main reason for not eating well-cooked spoiled poultry is that the bacterial counts are much greater than the fresh product. So if the 72 C temperature is not reached, there is a greater chance of an infectious dose of bacterial cells remaining on the food. And cross-contamination becomes a greater concern. That, plus it is kind of gross to cook and eat spoiled food. yeah, you're probably right. You probably usually don't need to wash off a fresh chicken from the supermarket, as long as you cook it properly. But again, I'm saying that if food is spoiled, it means it has a truckload of bacteria laying on it. Which will make you sick even if you successfully cook it until all the bacteria are dead. Sure, diseases like Guillain-Barre syndrome are associated with LPS. But any spoiled meat is more the result of spoilage bacteria, which compete with the pathogens. So, unless the pathogen counts were astronomical, cooking (or irradiating for that matter) would tend to keep it safe. Not palatable, though, and I sure wouldn't recommend eating any spoiled food. But you have to understand, mental illness is like cholesterol. There is the good kind and the bad. Without the good kind- less flavor to life. - Serge A. Storms Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #38 September 28, 2006 LPS also causes plain old-fashioned vomiting & diahrea. QuoteBut any spoiled meat is more the result of spoilage bacteria, which compete with the pathogens. What species (of "spoliage bacteria")are you talking about here? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #39 September 28, 2006 Of course. It allows one to get rid of the bits of unplucked feather. You also can examine the bird to find other stuff, like giblets. Finally, you can disinfect it. Acetone works wonders in that department. JUST KIDDING! You just need to be careful you don't use too much. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quack 0 #40 September 28, 2006 QuoteLPS also causes plain old-fashioned vomiting & diahrea. QuoteBut any spoiled meat is more the result of spoilage bacteria, which compete with the pathogens. What species (of "spoliage bacteria")are you talking about here? Mainly Pseudomonas, Moraxella, and Acinetobacter, if it's aerobically stored meats. And yes, LPS is highly toxic. But the point I'm making here is that meat would have to be so rancid for the amount of LPS to be significant no one would eat it anyway. The original question was regarding fresh poultry. If LPS was a concern we'd all be getting sick from eating meat (Yes, I know you were commenting on if the bacterial numbers were high enough). But anyway, back to what I'm supposed to be doing... (edited to add: I'm not good at markup - can't do italics) But you have to understand, mental illness is like cholesterol. There is the good kind and the bad. Without the good kind- less flavor to life. - Serge A. Storms Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #41 September 28, 2006 QuoteFinally, you can disinfect it. Acetone works wonders in that department. Yeah about that dinner you invited me to...... something came up I wont be able to make it! So sorry Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #42 September 28, 2006 QuoteFinally, you can disinfect it. Acetone works wonders in that department. even better to just soak the Bird in Anti-Freeze. Simple Dunk the Bird in Anti-Freeze of for about 20 seconds, Pull it out and its ready to cook. This not only kills all bacteria but tenderizes the meat with out drying out. By the way.. If you actually do this, Please let us know where you would like your darwin award sent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #43 September 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteFinally, you can disinfect it. Acetone works wonders in that department. Yeah about that dinner you invited me to...... something came up I wont be able to make it! So sorry Please highlight the entirety of this post. And please note, I disclaim all responsibility for the actions any dumbasses who actually would soak a bird in acetone in preparation for eating it. Although Thanatos' idea has promise, I don't particularly like my poultry sweetened. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #44 September 28, 2006 QuoteAlthough Thanatos' idea has promise, I don't particularly like my poultry sweetened. Just add a Touch of Lemon and you will never notice the added sweetness. In fact next time you have a Lawyers Convention or something, Let em know and I will cook up a Batch and send it to you free of charge even. (As long as you share it with all the other Lawyers!!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #45 September 28, 2006 I'll even make sure I paid you for your efforts! Because by my paying for it, it means that you have a duty to ensure the food is safe. hee hee hee. Show me the MONEY!!! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #46 September 28, 2006 QuoteWell?My poultry comes pre-cooked."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
