aad's

[crazy8 0]

i have a cypress1 that has reached its 12 year life. is that a bunch of crap or not. why only 12 years. the vigel has a life of 20 years and its cheaper. why is that. you can only say so much as far as name and price. cypress is a great name and any body who skydives knows it. really all i'm trying to do is justify using my cypress and feel safe about it. actually i'm just mad that i need to spend 1200 bucks on something i already have.

[bob.dino 1]

Do a Search. The issue has been discussed to death, and reasons for the lifetime have been put forward.

[iamsam 0]

You don't 'already have', you used to have, when it reached its lifespan it became past tense.

If you want reasons, go to the website.

If you don't like it, buy a Vigil.

Or an Argus.

When my CYPRES dies, if things are as they currently are in the world of AAD's, I'm buying another CYPRES.

but what do I know

[JohnMitchell 16]

My Cypress timed out. I bought a goddamn Vigil. F#@* Cypress and their arbitrary timeout. I hope they go out of business.

Okay, maybe I should say how I really feel.

[kelpdiver 2]

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My Cypress timed out. I bought a goddamn Vigil. F#@* Cypress and their arbitrary timeout. I hope they go out of business.

We're really about 8 or 9 years away from being able to have this conversation. Right now it's marketing.

Argus chose the same 12 year lifespan.

[vid666 0]

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i have a cypress1 that has reached its 12 year life. is that a bunch of crap or not. why only 12 years. the vigel has a life of 20 years and its cheaper. why is that. you can only say so much as far as name and price. cypress is a great name and any body who skydives knows it. really all i'm trying to do is justify using my cypress and feel safe about it. actually i'm just mad that i need to spend 1200 bucks on something i already have.

When your car that you paid $10,000 for (or $20K or $30K) finally bites the dust 15-20 years later - do you bitch and whine too ?

[jeremy_o 0]

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really all i'm trying to do is justify using my cypress and feel safe about it.

You can't, it is no longer airworthy..

http://planetskydive.net/ - An online aggregation of skydiver's blogs.

[riggerrob 643]

Five or seven years from now, I fully expect Vigil and Argus to mandate inspections ... definitely by field riggers, maybe by designated "service centers," but hopefully not by pilgrimages to the factory of their birth.

I have already told my boss that I will not repack any of his Vigils - when they eeceed five years old, so he had better think about ordering the cable and software package ....

[PhreeZone 20]

Your Vigil has an arbitrary time out too

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[gjhdiver 0]

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i have a cypress1 that has reached its 12 year life. is that a bunch of crap or not. why only 12 years. the vigel has a life of 20 years and its cheaper. why is that. you can only say so much as far as name and price. cypress is a great name and any body who skydives knows it. really all i'm trying to do is justify using my cypress and feel safe about it. actually i'm just mad that i need to spend 1200 bucks on something i already have.

Heh heh. I'm feeling better about my Argus units day by day.....

[PhreeZone 20]

Base price on an Argus is $1270 US today. They don't have a maintence but the webpage says they are good for 12 years, whats the difference for why you feel better about the units?

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[strop45 0]

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When your car that you paid $10,000 for (or $20K or $30K) finally bites the dust 15-20 years later - do you bitch and whine too ?

No but you might if at 10 years the manufacturer said that's it, its now junk, especially if it had been sitting in your garage the whole time.

There's nothing magic about 12 years, its simply an arbitrary figure, albeit based on knowledge of the modes/risks of failure, experience and detailed knowledge of the technology. The Cypres in the rig which is doing 1500 jumps per annum times out at the same time as the Cypres in the weekend jumper rig who is doing 50 jumps a year. Since thermal cycling is a significant factor in electronic faults/failures, at best the 12 years is a compromise value, based on the expected failure modes.

At the end of the day if you buy a Cypres, you know that you are buying 12 years of use, so its no use bitching about afterwards.

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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At the end of the day if you buy a Cypres, you know that you are buying 12 years of use, so its no use bitching about afterwards.

Not if you bought it 12 years ago you didn't.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

Here's the deal:
Your cypress probably works just fine and will continue to work for some time. Furthermore when it stops functioning it will probably recognize the problem during its self diagnostic at start up and let you know it is toast (this is the heart of the Vigil argument). This is not a guarantee, but then again it isn't a guarantee when it is in date either. The difference is that if you continue to use it it will break sooner or later and put these probabilities (that the self diagnosis will work) to the test. It's a bit like using a canopy until it blows up; you will probably be just fine under your reserve, but is that really how you want to play the game?
The other complication is that the FARs insist that AADs be utilized according to the manufacturer's instructions. You will not be able to get your reserve packed and if you are a rigger (which I am sure you are not because you would know these things if you were) and packing for yourself, you are endangering the career of the pilot when jumping in the US while breaking the FARs.

[billvon 2,990]

>You will not be able to get your reserve packed and if you are a rigger
>(which I am sure you are not because you would know these things if you
>were) and packing for yourself, you are endangering the career of the pilot
>when jumping in the US while breaking the FARs.

I would suggest that if the rig was legally in-date per the packing data card, the pilot has fulfilled his obligations under the FAR's. If a rigger falsifies the packing data card, the liability falls on him as a holder of an FAA certificate.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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>You will not be able to get your reserve packed and if you are a rigger
>(which I am sure you are not because you would know these things if you
>were) and packing for yourself, you are endangering the career of the pilot
>when jumping in the US while breaking the FARs.

I would suggest that if the rig was legally in-date per the packing data card, the pilot has fulfilled his obligations under the FAR's. If a rigger falsifies the packing data card, the liability falls on him as a holder of an FAA certificate.

You are probably correct.

[gjhdiver 0]

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Base price on an Argus is $1270 US today. They don't have a maintence but the webpage says they are good for 12 years, whats the difference for why you feel better about the units?

Simply put, I think the design and construction is much better than any of other units available, and the total cost of ownership over the life of the unit is less than any of the others. All the major parts are feild serviceable, and batteries are $6 a set. A local rigger can perform the four year check with the factory supplied equipment, and all data can be downloaded remotely to Argus.

I think the mulit-mode feature is very good, and having talked at length to the designer, I feel that they have a very good freefall modeling system.

[kmfenaughty 0]

I actually can't believe you guys are even having this conversation ... that is about replacing an out-of-date AAD. Being honest .. if money is really tight and I do understand how that goes .. there are plenty of used units available.

Your profile say's you build custom homes (not the cheap ones) in the san diego area ...

Let's see ... how much does it really cost

There are (365/year*12) = 4380 days

The initial cost of the AAD - $1200
The 4 & 8 year mtc (250*2) - $500
The battery replacment every 2 years (skipping the mtc years) (85*2) - $170

Total cost of ownership of $1870

That's about .43 cents/day .... yea my life's worth that

Most of us spend more then that on coffee or beer and we only "rent" that

99% of the people on this earth are sheep ... dare to be different

[kelpdiver 2]

You left out the battery replacement at 10 years, so add a couple more pennies.

(Or buy the Cypres2 instead)

[bob.dino 1]

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F#@* Cypress and their arbitrary timeout.

It's not arbitrary. Do a search. Billvon and others have expounded on the calibration and lifetimes of electronic components.

[inextremis 0]

Thank you.

[JohnMitchell 16]

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It's not arbitrary. Do a search. Billvon and others have expounded on the calibration and lifetimes of electronic components.

I don't want to be confused by the facts. My mind is made up.



I'll just shell out more damn money when they tell me I have to. Anyone want a couple of Cypres shaped paper weights?

[bodypilot90 0]

or you can look at it like this

100 jumps a year *12 = 120
Total cost of ownership of $1955

cost per jump $1.63


not sure it's worth it

[slotperfect 7]

I will be happy to take them off your hands.

Arrive Safely

John

[piisfish 140]

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or you can look at it like this

100 jumps a year *12 = 1200
Total cost of ownership of $1955

cost per jump $1.63


not sure it's worth it

or you can look at it like this :

1 AAD save : priceless

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