MLKSKY 0 #51 August 10, 2006 Oh boo hoo to everyone here that is crying about the inconvenience of traveling. I mean God forbid security try to do anything to stop any other terroristic threats at the cost of YOUR convenience. Although I agree the security folks could be more effective and more professional, the demand for improvement needs to come from the top. So, lets all just deal with it and be real about the world we live in today--it's dangerous. So, get your ass to the airport early, don't carry shit on the plane, and don't make any eye contact with the security folks--they will strip search you!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #52 August 10, 2006 QuoteI mean God forbid security try to do anything to stop any other terroristic threats at the cost of YOUR convenience. What the posts are saying here is that the security steps we see are nothing but window dressing.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #53 August 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteI mean God forbid security try to do anything to stop any other terroristic threats at the cost of YOUR convenience. What the posts are saying here is that the security steps we see are nothing but window dressing. BINGO. That's EXACTLY the point. I wouldn't complain, hell, I'd be the first person to applaud, if the TSA actually DID ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE instead of making Grandma take off her shoes._______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guppie01 0 #54 August 10, 2006 Quoteyou get a bit of a feeling that we're not doing the best we can. HA, traveling back from LP I noticed just before going through security that I'd left my hookknife on my rig.... TSA scanned it and one agent said "Oh, is this a sport parachute?" me, "yes." A manager was called over for a re-scan, and he said "yup, just like the last one, it's okay." WTF, how the hell did they not notice the hookknife??? g"Let's do something romantic this Saturday... how bout we bust out the restraints?" Raddest Ho this side of Jersey #1 - MISS YOU OMG, is she okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLKSKY 0 #55 August 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteI mean God forbid security try to do anything to stop any other terroristic threats at the cost of YOUR convenience. What the posts are saying here is that the security steps we see are nothing but window dressing. ------------------------------------------------------------ Is it really window dressing?--Maybe to the majority of people that are traveling and whom are innocent, but who knows how many terrorists have been thrawted with these extra measures. I am sure we'll never know. So folks, what are your suggestions to stop terrorism? Let's be solution orientated. What do you suggest? Profiling? That may hurt too many feelings. Would you feel better if just the Muslim folks traveling were subjegated to these measures. No I'm sure not. We're all in this together. If there are better ideas lemme know. Let our Senators know. Let's bitch at them. But remember, the gov't doesn't want to spend any more $$ on security, so let's keep them idears economy--okay? Money. That is the major issue here--who is responsible to pay for these extra security measures at the airport--is it the airlines or is it Uncle Sam. And who really pays the bill at the end of the day? Is it the gov't or is it regular people like us? I dunno, I'm innocent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #56 August 10, 2006 It's a knee-jerk reaction to a threat that already existed. If the items that the TSA (and other security agencies around the world) are banning today are a threat today, they were a threat yesterday, and they were a threat five years ago. We've just now learned that there was a plot to carry on liquid explosives in hand luggage, so, whaddya know, let's ban contact lens solution and chapstick. The things it would take to have a truly secure air travel system are unpalatable in our society; true profiling (such as El Al does) and better technology (as someone on FlyerTalk.com put it, "The fact of the matter is that we've had the remote sensing technology for years to be able to properly search carry on luggage. There is no way that NASA can determine trace elements on distant planets, but TSA can't do it in your briefcase." ) But we're throwing money at screeners (and not that much... with those wages, our TSA personnel are hardly the best and the brightest we have to offer) and focusing on nail clippers and dinner knives and hand lotion.... What we end up with is an erosion of personal liberties and a situation that really is no better or safer than it was five years ago, but because we have to stand in longer lines and leave our lighters at the security belt, we think it's safer. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #57 August 10, 2006 Quote instead of making Grandma take off her shoes.your grandma might be a terroristscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #58 August 10, 2006 There's much more to this than meets the eye.... It's about control.... The Man, stops mothers taking baby formula onto a plane and we're s'posed applaud, because we're safer.... It's for our own good, dont you know. Minimum wage rent-a-cops are more rude to you than your kids and you smile (instead of cuffing them) .... cuz it's for your own good and you feel safer because some twat with a plastic badge decide that your granny cannt take her Nitroglycerin Tablets (for her chest pains complaint), on the plane incase she sets them offf when she belches or farts. After all, the world is sooooooo more dangerous now (bolloxs try telling that to my Grandad in the trenches of WW1 or Londoners during the Blitz of WW2, or Brummies during the IRA pub bombings etc..... etc....). Yeah loads of people hate us, because of what our governments have done to them!! As others have said, this is like armed police at airports and train stations..... it's just window shopping, all show and no go.... Armoured personall carriers or tanks cannt stop bombs going off, it's meaningless shite. The sort of people that are impressed by such a show are never going to get as much as a parking ticket, let alone carry a bomb onto a plane.... there's a special name for them ... VOTERS!. I dont know how you stop terrorist, but this isn't it. This stops normal people, doing normal things... which is precisely what the terrorists want.. Job Done. . Lastly.... if these rent-a-cops are sooo goods how many terrorists have they captured? ummmmm... that'll be none then. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SWATcop 0 #59 August 10, 2006 Quotestill feels like a victory for the bastards. I mean, shit, the airlines have banned water! Are the luggage screeners that much better than the security checkpoints? Or is this more BS window dressing? No dude, a victory for them is when there is an oil slick and floating dead bodies. As for putting stuff in checked baggage, you can't mix the liquid ingredients or detonate them when you are in the cabin and can't get to them.Kevin Muff Brother #4041 Team Dirty Sanchez #467 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #60 August 10, 2006 Ask yourself, Piishy... do you really want to start this war on this thread with someone who travels close to 200,000 miles per year? With someone who wound up walking back to security to return a hand-wand that they LEFT IN MY BAG? With someone who managed to go through security and fly from NYC to LAX with a BOX of razor blades in my bag because I forgot to take them out and they were never checked? With someone who a month ago had a flight cancelled and got put on another airline's flight that left at the NEXT GATE, and the ticket now had SSSS on it even though the original one never left and I NEVER LEFT THE SECURED AREA? You don't, do you? _______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #61 August 10, 2006 If you're going to quote, quote the right person. What you quoted was not my words. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #62 August 10, 2006 Peter... I think Piishfish was being sarcastic... I get that fromt the "" oh and I personally know for a fact that my grandmother isn't a terrorist... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #63 August 10, 2006 QuoteThere's much more to this than meets the eye.... there's a special name for them ... VOTERS!. I dont know how you stop terrorist, but this isn't it. This stops normal people, doing normal things... which is precisely what the terrorists want.. Job Done. Lastly.... if these rent-a-cops are sooo goods how many terrorists have they captured? ummmmm... that'll be none then. . You know, as scary as that movie with Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis... What was it, The Siege? was, the point was dead on. In impolite force vs. political correctness, impolite force will lose, every time. Until political correctness gets 2,000 people in a mall killed in middle america. don't even get me STARTED on the divying up of HS funds, and how my city, New York, got elephant fucked AGAIN by some fucking Senator who needs to protect his cornfield. Arrgh._______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #64 August 10, 2006 QuotePeter... I think Phiish was being sarcastic... I get that fromt the "" and personally I know for a fact that my grandmother isn't a terrorist... I know he was. And apologies for spelling the name wrong. Still chaps my ass, though. The image of the four-year-old getting wanded. I just hate knowing that we live in a world of blind sheep._______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #65 August 10, 2006 If shes a particularly good one you would never know.... Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #66 August 10, 2006 QuoteIf shes a particularly good one you would never know.... no... really... she's not... of course she doesn't travel much either. oh... and this is sort of "black humor" cause my grandmother died 12+ years ago.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #67 August 10, 2006 So, she's an under cover terrorist (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #68 August 10, 2006 Died or went underground? Maybe she was a sleeper that got recalled. Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitational 0 #69 August 10, 2006 Quote Is it really window dressing?--Maybe to the majority of people that are traveling and whom are innocent, but who knows how many terrorists have been thrawted with these extra measures. I am sure we'll never know. So far in 2006, I have not have my had my ID or my ticket checked at security 26 times at various large airports to include Chicago, Houston, Denver, Atlanta. Window dressing? yes. I've gone through customs twice without having my passport even looked at. Window dressing? yes. So, let's see here...other things. Ahh...the belt on the baggage xray machine running, but no one sitting there looking at the screen. Were these people rescreened after I said something? no. (airport Houston). Window dressing? yes. I've traveled a couple times and left one of my precision screwdrivers in my bag that I had intended to check. The limit on length is 7 inches, the screwdriver is longer than this. I still have it. Window dressing? yes. We as Americans like to throw money at a problem. it makes us 'feel' good. I'm in the 20% of the traveling public that accounts for 80% of the travel. Do I feel safer since 9-11 since the TSA is on duty? Not at all. Will 9-11 happen again? Oh yeah...you betcha. I just hope I'm not on the plane it happens on.------ Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #70 August 10, 2006 Quote I'm in the 20% of the traveling public that accounts for 80% of the travel. Do I feel safer since 9-11 since the TSA is on duty? Not at all. Will 9-11 happen again? Oh yeah...you betcha. I just hope I'm not on the plane it happens on. As someone also in that 20%, may I say that truer words have never been spoken._______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #71 August 10, 2006 QuoteQuote I'm in the 20% of the traveling public that accounts for 80% of the travel. Do I feel safer since 9-11 since the TSA is on duty? Not at all. Will 9-11 happen again? Oh yeah...you betcha. I just hope I'm not on the plane it happens on. As someone also in that 20%, may I say that truer words have never been spoken. Amen. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plutoniumsalmon 0 #72 August 10, 2006 Travel Advisory from the future ATTN Arrive at the airport two weeks before your domestic flight and a month before international for quarantine and security (this includes persons already psychologically screened by the proper authorities). Do not bring any clothing or baggage as it will be confiscated and burned. You will be provided with all lubricants for probing as well as all the tools for the lobotamy. If traveling with a baby please insure that it has been prepared for cryogenic freezing or if you prefer confiscation (you will be issued with a replacement baby once you arrive at your destination). Please shave off all your hair including eye lashes. Please be prepared to stand for the duration of the flight and breathe totaly recurculated air for its entirety as a result of airline cut backs in costs due to recent economic troubles. Please be prepared for the unexpected like the fact that airline food might not give you botulism. Please concider the option of mailing your self to your destination either in parts or in a special container designed for human freight. Thank youPointy birds Oh pointy pointy Anoint my head Anointy nointy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #73 August 10, 2006 Stop exagerating. They havent perfected cryogenics for commercial applications yet. Something else that really bugs me about air travel post 9-11. Stewardesses used to be there for customer satisfaction....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #75 August 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteI mean God forbid security try to do anything to stop any other terroristic threats at the cost of YOUR convenience. What the posts are saying here is that the security steps we see are nothing but window dressing. precisely! Its basic economics. Just because you throw a massive amount of dollars at a problem, dont mean you'll actually do any good. Ive accidentally carried tweezers, nail clippers, pocket knives, and other "banned" items. My group at work probably travels close to 1 million miles per year. Were constantly seeing the inadaqacies of the TSA. They're underpaid, understaffed, undertrained, and uncaring. Ive seen em glance so quickly at an ID there's NO way they even read the name, much less confirmed it matched the boarding pass. This reaction to this potential threat/plan will only inconvienience travelers. If anyone thinks that terrorists didnt realize that even if this worked, they wouldnt have to have a new plan, are foolish. Theyre already working on a way to get around the new restrictions.Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
