NickDG 23 #51 August 8, 2006 Good Video! Two things if I may . . . In the slow-mo bit - it appears the excess brake line isn't stowed. That can be cool most of the time but you can clearly see the entanglement factor there. (Forgive me if they were stowed and just came out). Also on the slow-mo bit - pull initially harder when you release the brakes on the reserve. It looks as if the right was coming out first and you had to tug again on the left. You don't want to get into another spin. Riggers stow that control line and the excess brake line to stay put should it hit, or brush against, anything on its way out of the container. NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiggerDan 0 #52 August 8, 2006 Yes, the same thing doesn't work for everyone and I appreciate you sharing the insight. I was merely trying to do the same. Guess if we would have both done that a bit better, we could have avoided the other crap. Sorry 'bout that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiggerDan 0 #53 August 8, 2006 You can't really write these things as SOPs or Guidelines, because they are something that each jumper needs to decide for themselves. There are basic guidelines written for students and from there we all need to adjust what works for us. Keeping it simple for beginner's sake is vital. But as we gain experience and share experiences, you can pick up new ideas and techniques that work better for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpjunkie2004 0 #54 August 8, 2006 Thanks for sharing the video Liz! Glad you made it down safe and sound. I started to read all the posts here, but they gave me a headache : ( Bottom line - You did what you needed to do to save your ass! Awesome!Jump, Land, Pack, Repeat... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #55 August 8, 2006 Thanks, Nick! I hear you on the excess brake line. I understand the snag potential. It's just how I've always done it and it hasn't troubled me yet. I know that is a terrible reason not to change it, and I probably should. But my packer is not to blame as I told him I am fine with him leaving it like that. The reserve brakes I just forgot for a second that they were velcro-d down. But yes! You are correct about releasing them evenly. Very good point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heidihagen 0 #56 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuotenicely filmed, thanks. did you kick the wrong way round ?well, what else could they complain about... the scenery? the color of your reserve?? glad you didn't fight it too much. did you find your main/fb? aggiedave would dig your canopyi didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weegegirl 2 #57 August 8, 2006 no kidding. holy interrogation! yeah, my buddies found it all - all but that damn handle. and yeah, those are aggiedave's colors, aren't they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #58 August 8, 2006 Quote no kidding. holy interrogation! yeah, my buddies found it all - all but that damn handle. and yeah, those are aggiedave's colors, aren't they? Speaking of which - what was the reason for going to a Red Reserve? Sorry couldn't resist.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #59 August 8, 2006 QuoteYou can't really write these things as SOPs or Guidelines, because they are something that each jumper needs to decide for themselves. There are basic guidelines written for students and from there we all need to adjust what works for us. Keeping it simple for beginner's sake is vital. But as we gain experience and share experiences, you can pick up new ideas and techniques that work better for you. The tone earlier was rough, but if this was the message, I agree. I teach my students a decision altitude ("hard deck") of 2500. I don't expect them to keep that altitude when they've got a several hundred jumps and are deploying at 2500 (or 2000). Student training follows a KISS approach, with gradual increases in the amount of knowledge we impart. EPs can and should be fine-tuned to suit an individual later, once they've figured out what works best for them and their gear. It sounds like you and Liz are in perfect agreement on that. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DiggerDan 0 #60 August 8, 2006 No one is complaining about what she did. She was nice enough to post a video from her cutaway and I think people can actually use a video like this to analyze and learn from. You can drill yourself over and over about emergency procedures, but it is rare that you get to see them in action, in a real world scenario. The points were brought up so that maybe we could suggest another point of view and other insights to this specific malfunction, in order to get people thinking about what they might want to do if they are ever presented with it. God forbid you might watch the video, hear the points being made, and think about what you would do if in this situation. I really don't think it is wise to pass over this video and the posts being made here and just shrug it off as interrogation or criticism of what she did wrong. There are good points being brought up here from everyone, so you might want to take the time to think it all over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #61 August 8, 2006 Did someone say tequila? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weegegirl 2 #62 August 8, 2006 QuoteI really don't think it is wise to pass over this video and the posts being made here and just shrug it off as interrogation or criticism of what she did wrong. I don't know... I'm still trying to figure out what I did "wrong". By the way, how many cutaways do you have? Just curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bloody_trauma 2 #63 August 8, 2006 whats really important now is that you pony up the beer you owe for that mal ___________________________________________________________________________________Fly it like you stole it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DownWind 0 #64 August 9, 2006 Nice Save Liz. Glad you landed safely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DiggerDan 0 #65 August 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteI really don't think it is wise to pass over this video and the posts being made here and just shrug it off as interrogation or criticism of what she did wrong. I don't know... I'm still trying to figure out what I did "wrong". By the way, how many cutaways do you have? Just curious. My point was, as I stated to you earlier, that it is NOT criticism of what you did wrong. Contrary to what people are making it seem. I never said you did anything wrong. That is what others are SAYING I said. It is not criticism at all. It is simply wanting to know exactly what you did and why you did it, and then offering other insight into things so you, myself and others can think about what we might do if in that position again. I have 4 sport cutaways. 3 of this type. And I have 3 tandem cutaways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #66 August 9, 2006 QuoteWell, the problem with the two-handed technigue in a spinning malfunction is that the forces of the spin can get really nasty in a hurry and you may not see that coming. When you realize you are on you back, spinning under line twists on a small HP canopy, it can be a good idea to get ahold of both handles before it gets too difficult. There have been a number of instances where people have been spinning so bad that it was almost impossible to locate and get too their reserve handle after cutting away. The tendency can also be such to rush the cutaway pull in order to get to the reserve,which can be bad if you "pull, throw" and didn't get the canopy released fully. thiswill not be the case, once you have been released from the main the centrigual forces are gone. you are basically spatt away from the main (think hammer throw). so a 2 handed cutaway will not prevent you getting your reserve due to the SPIN.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DiggerDan 0 #67 August 9, 2006 Unless you rushed the cutaway and threw the handle and are spinning under a partially released main. Oh, just fuckin forget it! There is obviously nothing to learn here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crewkeith 0 #68 August 9, 2006 yeah but she didnt. im sure there is an arguement in gear and rigging that needs your attention. way to go girl. and by the way i like your reserve color. bsbd keith .The skies are no longer safe I'm back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DiggerDan 0 #69 August 9, 2006 45 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DiggerDan 0 #70 August 9, 2006 See diagram Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RkyMtnHigh 0 #71 August 9, 2006 QuoteSee diagram WOW! Is THAT YOU squirting milk?!! I thought your name was Dan? _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amanduh 0 #72 August 9, 2006 QuoteOh, just fuckin forget it! There is obviously nothing to learn here. Quit stomping your feet like a child. I think you brought up some very good points (along with Nick) and some of us ARE seeing those in your replies... instead of assuming you are just trying to start shit. People, shut your traps and listen to those with more experience...their words/advice may actually one day save your life. *Edited to add: Just because someone asks questions doesn't mean they are interrogating you..they may be trying to get a full understanding of the situation before posting.* But afterall, QuoteThis video was supposed to be for entertainment purposes. Liz, nice video and congrats on saving your ass! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #73 August 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteOh, just fuckin forget it! There is obviously nothing to learn here. Quit stomping your feet like a child. I think you brought up some very good points (along with Nick) and some of us ARE seeing those in your replies... instead of assuming you are just trying to start shit. People, shut your traps and listen to those with more experience! Ummm NO not when what they are saying can be wrong or misleadingYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #74 August 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteWell, the problem with the two-handed technigue in a spinning malfunction is that the forces of the spin can get really nasty in a hurry and you may not see that coming. When you realize you are on you back, spinning under line twists on a small HP canopy, it can be a good idea to get ahold of both handles before it gets too difficult. There have been a number of instances where people have been spinning so bad that it was almost impossible to locate and get too their reserve handle after cutting away. The tendency can also be such to rush the cutaway pull in order to get to the reserve,which can be bad if you "pull, throw" and didn't get the canopy released fully. thiswill not be the case, once you have been released from the main the centrigual forces are gone. you are basically spatt away from the main (think hammer throw). so a 2 handed cutaway will not prevent you getting your reserve due to the SPIN. I wouldn't be so matter of fact about that, and you were the one who brought up the subject of centrifugal force. A violent spin can cause disorientation leading to difficulty locating and pulling the reserve handle after cutting away. A spin can cause the harness to shift such that the reserve handle isn't where it's normally found, making it more difficult to locate and pull the reserve handle after cutting away. Neither was the case in this mal, and I'm still glad Liz posted an entertaining video. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #75 August 9, 2006 Good job & a great video, thanks for posting it ! I think very few of us have picture perfect cutaways, where everything feels perfect, unless it's on a Skyhook demo rig or the like. Malfunctions are very disorienting and they tend to get the pulse and respiration up just a bit. Especially if you don't have a RSL (you were flying camera and I'm not criticizing) and are trying to get stable. The video has really cool details and I watched it over & over, especially the way the risers released one at a time and the reminder that reserve toggles are one last thing we also have to peel to get loose. I think most people would admit their cutaways felt at least as flaky as yours, the important thing is that they work, it's kept really simple, there are just two handles and you pull them (in order of course). It's not much fun until you see the canopy behind Door #2 over your head. 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weegegirl 2 #57 August 8, 2006 no kidding. holy interrogation! yeah, my buddies found it all - all but that damn handle. and yeah, those are aggiedave's colors, aren't they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #58 August 8, 2006 Quote no kidding. holy interrogation! yeah, my buddies found it all - all but that damn handle. and yeah, those are aggiedave's colors, aren't they? Speaking of which - what was the reason for going to a Red Reserve? Sorry couldn't resist.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #59 August 8, 2006 QuoteYou can't really write these things as SOPs or Guidelines, because they are something that each jumper needs to decide for themselves. There are basic guidelines written for students and from there we all need to adjust what works for us. Keeping it simple for beginner's sake is vital. But as we gain experience and share experiences, you can pick up new ideas and techniques that work better for you. The tone earlier was rough, but if this was the message, I agree. I teach my students a decision altitude ("hard deck") of 2500. I don't expect them to keep that altitude when they've got a several hundred jumps and are deploying at 2500 (or 2000). Student training follows a KISS approach, with gradual increases in the amount of knowledge we impart. EPs can and should be fine-tuned to suit an individual later, once they've figured out what works best for them and their gear. It sounds like you and Liz are in perfect agreement on that. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiggerDan 0 #60 August 8, 2006 No one is complaining about what she did. She was nice enough to post a video from her cutaway and I think people can actually use a video like this to analyze and learn from. You can drill yourself over and over about emergency procedures, but it is rare that you get to see them in action, in a real world scenario. The points were brought up so that maybe we could suggest another point of view and other insights to this specific malfunction, in order to get people thinking about what they might want to do if they are ever presented with it. God forbid you might watch the video, hear the points being made, and think about what you would do if in this situation. I really don't think it is wise to pass over this video and the posts being made here and just shrug it off as interrogation or criticism of what she did wrong. There are good points being brought up here from everyone, so you might want to take the time to think it all over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #61 August 8, 2006 Did someone say tequila? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #62 August 8, 2006 QuoteI really don't think it is wise to pass over this video and the posts being made here and just shrug it off as interrogation or criticism of what she did wrong. I don't know... I'm still trying to figure out what I did "wrong". By the way, how many cutaways do you have? Just curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloody_trauma 2 #63 August 8, 2006 whats really important now is that you pony up the beer you owe for that mal ___________________________________________________________________________________Fly it like you stole it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DownWind 0 #64 August 9, 2006 Nice Save Liz. Glad you landed safely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiggerDan 0 #65 August 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteI really don't think it is wise to pass over this video and the posts being made here and just shrug it off as interrogation or criticism of what she did wrong. I don't know... I'm still trying to figure out what I did "wrong". By the way, how many cutaways do you have? Just curious. My point was, as I stated to you earlier, that it is NOT criticism of what you did wrong. Contrary to what people are making it seem. I never said you did anything wrong. That is what others are SAYING I said. It is not criticism at all. It is simply wanting to know exactly what you did and why you did it, and then offering other insight into things so you, myself and others can think about what we might do if in that position again. I have 4 sport cutaways. 3 of this type. And I have 3 tandem cutaways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #66 August 9, 2006 QuoteWell, the problem with the two-handed technigue in a spinning malfunction is that the forces of the spin can get really nasty in a hurry and you may not see that coming. When you realize you are on you back, spinning under line twists on a small HP canopy, it can be a good idea to get ahold of both handles before it gets too difficult. There have been a number of instances where people have been spinning so bad that it was almost impossible to locate and get too their reserve handle after cutting away. The tendency can also be such to rush the cutaway pull in order to get to the reserve,which can be bad if you "pull, throw" and didn't get the canopy released fully. thiswill not be the case, once you have been released from the main the centrigual forces are gone. you are basically spatt away from the main (think hammer throw). so a 2 handed cutaway will not prevent you getting your reserve due to the SPIN.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiggerDan 0 #67 August 9, 2006 Unless you rushed the cutaway and threw the handle and are spinning under a partially released main. Oh, just fuckin forget it! There is obviously nothing to learn here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crewkeith 0 #68 August 9, 2006 yeah but she didnt. im sure there is an arguement in gear and rigging that needs your attention. way to go girl. and by the way i like your reserve color. bsbd keith .The skies are no longer safe I'm back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #71 August 9, 2006 QuoteSee diagram WOW! Is THAT YOU squirting milk?!! I thought your name was Dan? _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #72 August 9, 2006 QuoteOh, just fuckin forget it! There is obviously nothing to learn here. Quit stomping your feet like a child. I think you brought up some very good points (along with Nick) and some of us ARE seeing those in your replies... instead of assuming you are just trying to start shit. People, shut your traps and listen to those with more experience...their words/advice may actually one day save your life. *Edited to add: Just because someone asks questions doesn't mean they are interrogating you..they may be trying to get a full understanding of the situation before posting.* But afterall, QuoteThis video was supposed to be for entertainment purposes. Liz, nice video and congrats on saving your ass! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #73 August 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteOh, just fuckin forget it! There is obviously nothing to learn here. Quit stomping your feet like a child. I think you brought up some very good points (along with Nick) and some of us ARE seeing those in your replies... instead of assuming you are just trying to start shit. People, shut your traps and listen to those with more experience! Ummm NO not when what they are saying can be wrong or misleadingYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #74 August 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteWell, the problem with the two-handed technigue in a spinning malfunction is that the forces of the spin can get really nasty in a hurry and you may not see that coming. When you realize you are on you back, spinning under line twists on a small HP canopy, it can be a good idea to get ahold of both handles before it gets too difficult. There have been a number of instances where people have been spinning so bad that it was almost impossible to locate and get too their reserve handle after cutting away. The tendency can also be such to rush the cutaway pull in order to get to the reserve,which can be bad if you "pull, throw" and didn't get the canopy released fully. thiswill not be the case, once you have been released from the main the centrigual forces are gone. you are basically spatt away from the main (think hammer throw). so a 2 handed cutaway will not prevent you getting your reserve due to the SPIN. I wouldn't be so matter of fact about that, and you were the one who brought up the subject of centrifugal force. A violent spin can cause disorientation leading to difficulty locating and pulling the reserve handle after cutting away. A spin can cause the harness to shift such that the reserve handle isn't where it's normally found, making it more difficult to locate and pull the reserve handle after cutting away. Neither was the case in this mal, and I'm still glad Liz posted an entertaining video. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #75 August 9, 2006 Good job & a great video, thanks for posting it ! I think very few of us have picture perfect cutaways, where everything feels perfect, unless it's on a Skyhook demo rig or the like. Malfunctions are very disorienting and they tend to get the pulse and respiration up just a bit. Especially if you don't have a RSL (you were flying camera and I'm not criticizing) and are trying to get stable. The video has really cool details and I watched it over & over, especially the way the risers released one at a time and the reminder that reserve toggles are one last thing we also have to peel to get loose. I think most people would admit their cutaways felt at least as flaky as yours, the important thing is that they work, it's kept really simple, there are just two handles and you pull them (in order of course). It's not much fun until you see the canopy behind Door #2 over your head. Ain't it great to be alive ? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
