kmcdrop 0 #26 May 2, 2009 I did put some logic into the 2,000 foot hard-deck. First, I was told that the Cypress we students are using (and the rig I will likely use until I get my own rig after getting my A license) is set for 1,000 feet. I've set my container opening at 3,000 feet - provided I don't have a situation with another jumper where I have to go lower to avoid a problem. I just figured I'd give myself 1,000 feet (from 3K to 2K) to fix any problems with the main. The 1,000 from my hard-deck of 2,000 gives me time to correct any issues regarding cutaway of the main. For example, if I have a high-speed spin situation (line over or knots, for example), I really don't want to go to the reserve until I can get stable. Of course, as a student, the instructors aren't going to show me how to disconnect the RSL before I use the cutaway but that's something I just have to go with for now. I'm working through the static-line progression but I have put in 10 minutes of tunnel time to get some experience with keeping stable.Kevin M. Curran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcdrop 0 #27 May 2, 2009 Good point. But...I'm already 52 and I'm afraid if I wait much longer, I'll be too old and frail to carry all that Zero-P back to the hangar!Kevin M. Curran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #28 May 2, 2009 Quote Good point. But...I'm already 52 and I'm afraid if I wait much longer, I'll be too old and frail to carry all that Zero-P back to the hangar! Kids Today! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #29 May 2, 2009 Quote Quote Good point. But...I'm already 52 and I'm afraid if I wait much longer, I'll be too old and frail to carry all that Zero-P back to the hangar! Kids Today! Lord help us! The old making fun of the older! Or vise versa?Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #30 May 4, 2009 QuoteI did put some logic into the 2,000 foot hard-deck. First, I was told that the Cypress we students are using (and the rig I will likely use until I get my own rig after getting my A license) is set for 1,000 feet. Not precisely. The student cypres is set to fire at 1000 feet if you have a partially inflated parachute above you (somewhat slower descent rate). In full freefall it will not fire until 750 feet. Never rely on an AAD - it's your airbag to use a driving analogue. Quote The 1,000 from my hard-deck of 2,000 gives me time to correct any issues regarding cutaway of the main. For example, if I have a high-speed spin situation (line over or knots, for example), I really don't want to go to the reserve until I can get stable. Of course, as a student, the instructors aren't going to show me how to disconnect the RSL before I use the cutaway but that's something I just have to go with for now. Please don't waste any time trying to get stable at that altitude (less than 2k) Just finish your reserve procedure! Every second is invaluable in such a situation. Suppose you decide to cutaway at 2000k - you only seconds to deploy your reserve. I can tell you from experience that being in the saddle at 1k is very scary...three seconds later and no AAD and I would have impacted on linestretch... Disconnecting the RSL is not that difficult, but PLEASE do NOT do that except in situations you really have to. (after landing on top of a high building and being dragged towards the edge, or after landing in deep water for instance)."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #31 May 4, 2009 QuoteI really don't want to go to the reserve until I can get stable. Did your research show you how many people have died trying to do just that? QuoteOf course, as a student, the instructors aren't going to show me how to disconnect the RSL before I use the cutaway Of course not. That's not part of your emergency procedures (EPs). I DO teach my students how to disconnect the RSL...but not in conjunction with EPs. IMHO, you should know how to disconnect the RSL and when it is a good idea to do so. Quotebut I have put in 10 minutes of tunnel time to get some experience with keeping stable. Always a great idea!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #32 May 4, 2009 QuoteDisconnecting the RSL is not that difficult, but PLEASE do NOT do that except in situations you really have to. (after landing on top of a high building and being dragged towards the edge, or after landing in deep running water for instance). Depth has no bearing on that.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humanflite 0 #33 May 4, 2009 QuoteI did put some logic into the 2,000 foot hard-deck. First, I was told that the Cypress we students are using (and the rig I will likely use until I get my own rig after getting my A license) is set for 1,000 feet. I've set my container opening at 3,000 feet - provided I don't have a situation with another jumper where I have to go lower to avoid a problem. I just figured I'd give myself 1,000 feet (from 3K to 2K) to fix any problems with the main. The 1,000 from my hard-deck of 2,000 gives me time to correct any issues regarding cutaway of the main. For example, if I have a high-speed spin situation (line over or knots, for example), I really don't want to go to the reserve until I can get stable. Of course, as a student, the instructors aren't going to show me how to disconnect the RSL before I use the cutaway but that's something I just have to go with for now. I'm working through the static-line progression but I have put in 10 minutes of tunnel time to get some experience with keeping stable. Believe this, at 2000 ft without a good canopy above your head, things happen REAL fast... RSLs have saved many more lives than they have taken. Dont try and second guess EPs you dont fully understand (clearly). Speak to your instructors. Get more training. Jump In that order. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #34 May 4, 2009 Quote Quote Disconnecting the RSL is not that difficult, but PLEASE do NOT do that except in situations you really have to. (after landing on top of a high building and being dragged towards the edge, or after landing in deep running water for instance). Depth has no bearing on that. [hijack] I was thinking of a largeish body of water,ie a lake, where you landed near enough to the shore that you could wade out dragging your main behind you versus where you'd have to swim, in which case the main would drag you down.Whether or not to get out of your harness in the second scenario is a separate issue. [/hijack]"That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcdrop 0 #35 May 10, 2009 Good points. I did cover the RSL disconnect issue with several instructors yesterday and then I went back and checked over some more of the accident statistics. Apparently, even though there's a chance of fouling the reserve if you're not stable, the majority of the time the reserve still opens fine (even when unstable). In fact, the usual problem is line twists (big deal!). So, it looks like the RSL stays whether stable or not in an emergency.Kevin M. Curran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
