I cant believe this needs to be said but.......

[Joellercoaster 6]

Which, I guess, is why the oldtimers keep reminding us...

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"I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan

"You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at?

[Brian3576 0]

what exactly is the point of this topic? to stop everybody skydiving bacause it's too dangerous? i think almost everybody knows it's dangerous... so what do you want people to do about it?

i know it's dangerous
i know i might need to do my EP's on any jump
i know people i know might die

now what? what do you want me to do that i'm not already doing?

this topic reminds me of that shite American cop program with the retired dude who obviously still gets a hard on when he thinks of the cops.... "he went straight from hero to zero in 0.5 seconds" "he was only going one place fast, and that was straight to the county jail" "stay safe out there kids"

[dgskydive 0]

To open a few eyes is all.

Don't do anything.

Dom

[dgskydive 0]

If you don't like it then don't read it.

Dom

[VanillaSkyGirl 6]

Thanks so much for this thread, Dom.

I didn't PM you about this, but many have PMed me recently, to see how I am now feeling about skydiving, knowing that I was going through fears.

I wanted to post:
1. I loved Shannon.
2. I am NOT quitting skydiving.

[Ron 10]

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But if you are a regular jumper and don't think it will ever be you, or a close friend, or that hero you look up to. Here is a realty check. It can and will happen. You will know someone that died. You will see it. Even right now someone reading this will say "nope, not me!" Wake up you are lying to your self and your family and your wuffo friends.

I think a big problem with this sport today is the people that think it won't be them.

People that think an AAD will save them....you are stupid!!! People that think an RSL will save them....you are stupid. People that down size to fast.....you are stupid. People that think they will make it in this sport and never get smacked in the face by death in some way....you are stupid. If you are not thinking about the chance of death every time you step on a plane......you are stupid.

Agree 100%.

A friend once told me at 100 jumps to look around the DZ. He told me that in 5 years one of the people I see could be dead. He was right.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[dgskydive 0]

Good for you Ro!!!

Dom

[darnknit 0]

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what exactly is the point of this topic?

to get skydivers to understand...

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i know it's dangerous
i know i might need to do my EP's on any jump
i know people i know might die

if you read the first post in this thread, you will see that not every skydiver is fully aware of these facts .

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now what? what do you want me to do that i'm not already doing?

i would like you to understand that some of us are trying to explain to others a fact that you already understand. skydiving costs a hell of alot more than twenty dollars a jump.

i understand that you are already in touch with that fact. can you understand that others might not be?

pulling is cool. keep it in the skin

[dgskydive 0]

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Agee 100%.

A friend once told me at 100 jumps to look around the DZ. He told me that in 5 years one of the people I see could be dead. He was right.

Now I know I am on the right track if this asshole agrees with me!!!

Dom

[Brian3576 0]

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People that think an AAD will save them....you are stupid!!!

erm... thats EXACTLY what i think my Cypres will do !!!!!

[dgskydive 0]

Brain if you want to get into an argument we can do that by pm.

If you want to seriously understand why your Cypress may not save you then let me know

Dom

[mnealtx 0]

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People that think an AAD will save them....you are stupid!!!

erm... thats EXACTLY what i think my Cypres will do !!!!!

Wrong. Your Cypress will cut the closing loop, that's all. It's NOT a replacement for pulling silver yourself, and should NOT be counted on to work.

It's an absolute last-ditch, I've been knocked unconscious lifesaver...that's all.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[sartre 0]

If this thread is not doing you any good, why don't you stay off of it? I've actually spent yesterday and this morning thinking about it quite a lot. To think you know & accept the risks intellectually, and to really get that there's a significant chance of death or severe injury are really two different things. Not everyone sees the world from your viewpoint, so give us enough respect to not ridicule what you don't understand.

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erm... thats EXACTLY what i think my Cypres will do !!!!!

Let's not go down that road.

You will make mistakes up there. We all have. It just depends on what kind of mistake you make and the margin for error in the mistake. There is nothing wrong with this thread if it wakes a few people up, it's done it's job.

I'm sad she went in, but I'm not surprised she went in. She was BASE jumping. It's not a safe activity to begin with and it sure can be as dangerous as you want to make it. I could be next. I know I've made mistakes up there and ... knock on wood ... I've been lucky so far.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Brian3576 0]

are you saying i've spent £800 for nothing?

ahh, i see that you're now saying "may" not save them.... it was "you're dreaming if you think it's going to save you" a few posts back

of course i think it's going to save me, why would i think otherwise? thats why i have it, and thats why they make them

[dgskydive 0]

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erm... thats EXACTLY what i think my Cypres will do !!!!!

Brain simple fact. Your AAD is a computer. It can break, it can malfunction.

It can also be effected by the operator. It can be set wrong. It is not fool proof.

Ever see a persons Cypress fire about 30 ft before they hit the ground? Well I have. Truth...... I didn't see it. The trees got in the way as she fell behind them.

Ever see a cypress miss fire? Ever see one fire just as an idiot deployed there main to low and the main and reserve entangle?

Dom

[Ron 10]

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erm... thats EXACTLY what i think my Cypres will do !!!!!

Then you clearly have no dea how the device works.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[dgskydive 0]

AS most of us didn't until TheMitchyone went in.

To see some of the biggest names in skydiving running around reading their Cypress manuals and learning about it after they had used them for 12 years. It was crazy.

Dom

[Brian3576 0]

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erm... thats EXACTLY what i think my Cypres will do !!!!!

Then you clearly have no dea how the device works.

no? it wont fire and deploy my reserve if i'm going about 75mph still at about 1000 feet then?

how many Cypres have not worked when used in acordance with the manufacturers rules?

[Ron 10]

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what exactly is the point of this topic? to stop everybody skydiving bacause it's too dangerous? i think almost everybody knows it's dangerous... so what do you want people to do about it?

Lots of people don't think it is dangerous. Some think , just like you said, that a CYPRES will save them so they are good to go.

What I find tragic is that it takes a bad weekend losing several people for people to put saftey in the spotlight.

What I find even more tragic is when people try to debate that skydiving is dangerous, or slam those that wish to inform people who may have forgotten, or never really understood.

What do we want people to do?

Put safety first. ALWAYS. Realize that even though you think you will not die...That every person who has died thought that same way, yet they still died.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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no? it wont fire and deploy my reserve if i'm going about 75mph still at about 1000 feet then?

That does not mean it will save you.

Your posts here are nothing more than trolling.

You don't want to listen when people talk...Fine, but don't post just to be a troll. You are adding nothing to this, or any disscussion that I can see from your track record of posts.

No name, no other info.
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[sartre 0]

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You don't want to listen when people talk...Fine, but don't post just to be a troll. You are adding nothing to this, or any disscussion that I can see from your track record pf posts.

Amen to that.

[dgskydive 0]

I didn't mean for this to turn into a Cypress debate.

But Brian, a main, reserve entangelment is a very real possiblity as a result of a properly set and maintaned Cypress/Vigil/Argus, what ever AAD you may be using.

We have also seen recently that an AAD can be set off on final approach on highly loaded canopies. It has cost one jumper his life.

Dom

[dgskydive 0]

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1524736;search_string=themitchyone;#1524736

Not being educated and listening to "old timers", and thinking an AAD WILL save ya, waiting on it to fire............will get ya one of these threads.

Dom

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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what exactly is the point of this topic? to stop everybody skydiving bacause it's too dangerous? i think almost everybody knows it's dangerous... so what do you want people to do about it?

First of all, relax.

Don't argue with people or with yourself about whether or not your AAD (or other gadget) will save you. Instead, understand how it works, keep it properly maintained, and then do everything you can to minimize the risk that you or your equipment will place you in a situation in which the gadget will be needed. Now, here's the important part: does it make you less comfortable to jump without the ADD, or with it turned off? If the answer is yes, then I hope you'll do something about it because it may mean that you are letting your guard down on most of your jumps.