NWFlyer 2 #1 May 22, 2006 No, this isn't a joke... I actually thought this was the best possible answer to this question I've ever heard. (It's from Carolyn Hax at The Washington Post, who writes a great column called Tell Me About It). QuoteQ. Guys really want to know "what women want." What is it? A. Not to be treated as a foreign species? Talk to woman as you would a man. If there's something you feel you must censor, then that says to me that you're not seeing a woman as an equal, but as a thing to be handled delicately. Bleah. If you talk naturally to a woman and she finds you offensive, good--she's the last person you'd want for a relationship. And if every woman finds you offensive, then it's time to revisit your true opinion of women."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cudlo 0 #2 May 22, 2006 [sarcasm] Gee... why didn't I ever think about that. We should just follow the women's lead in always being honest about ourselves and NEVER misleading anyone, especially the opposite sex about ourselves... [/sarcasm] Edit: In response to the post that is now gone... The fact that it goes both ways is the point. And no, not bitter just pointing out the flaw in the quote_________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #3 May 22, 2006 SOOO........wanna see some pictures of turds??"No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plutoniumsalmon 0 #4 May 22, 2006 cuni lingus Pointy birds Oh pointy pointy Anoint my head Anointy nointy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smilie 0 #5 May 22, 2006 lol, I agree with the article. My only real comment, is when men start talking with you the way they do the guys, they stop finding you attractive. Something about being one of the guys at that point? ... Fear not death. Fear instead the unlived life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #6 May 22, 2006 Quotelol, I agree with the article. My only real comment, is when men start talking with you the way they do the guys, they stop finding you attractive. Something about being one of the guys at that point? You know, I never really thought of all that in those terms, but now that it's been brought up, I have to admit I believe you are right. It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #7 May 22, 2006 QuoteAnd no, not bitter just pointing out the flaw in the quote It's not a "flaw" in the quote, just an additional perspective that you could take. Hell, you could discuss or debate this particular issue in a lot of different ways. I still think her response is one of the best to that question ... it keeps it simple. True, it does mirror what I want and what a lot of really cool womenI know want; however, I'm willing to bet there are a lot of women who don't want that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #8 May 22, 2006 I do treat women as my equal... I have done so my entire life... I think there's more to it then that... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #9 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuotelol, I agree with the article. My only real comment, is when men start talking with you the way they do the guys, they stop finding you attractive. Something about being one of the guys at that point? You know, I never really thought of all that in those terms, but now that it's been brought up, I have to admit I believe you are right. There are definitely a lot of guys like that; but then again, I'm not going to be interested in THEM either... a guy who is unable to think of me as a woman he can be attracted to while also treating me as a human being ("one of the guys" if you will) isn't someone I want to be with, anyway. That's why the quote is so perfect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NtheSeaOrSky 0 #10 May 22, 2006 QuoteI'm willing to bet there are a lot of women who don't want that. NO KIDDING!!!! I had a discussion this week with someone who tried her best to convince me what I needed to be happy was someone 'to take complete care of me" - she didn't get the part where that was only what SHE wanted and that would not make everyone (especially me) happy. I argued till I was blue in the face, she still never got it. .Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #11 May 22, 2006 QuoteI do treat women as my equal... I have done so my entire life... I think there's more to it then that... You're right that there's probably more to it than that, but her response is a nice start ... if you think of women as individual human beings and not as a "separate species" where "all" feel the same way, you're well on your way to connecting with at least some of them. And, if I had to make an assessment based on your posts here, you don't treat women as equals, but not in the way you might think. You idealize them... which makes it impossible for you to really relate to them. Obviously, I don't know you ... you can take all of that as a crock of shit, but that's an impression I have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #12 May 22, 2006 There should be a Cosmo forum.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #13 May 22, 2006 QuoteThere should be a Cosmo forum.Isn't that what the women only forum is?Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #14 May 22, 2006 QuoteNo, this isn't a joke... I actually thought this was the best possible answer to this question I've ever heard. (It's from Carolyn Hax at The Washington Post, who writes a great column called Tell Me About It). QuoteQ. Guys really want to know "what women want." What is it? A. Not to be treated as a foreign species? Talk to woman as you would a man. If there's something you feel you must censor, then that says to me that you're not seeing a woman as an equal, but as a thing to be handled delicately. Bleah. If you talk naturally to a woman and she finds you offensive, good--she's the last person you'd want for a relationship. And if every woman finds you offensive, then it's time to revisit your true opinion of women. Gee, thanks. Now I know.You may be uniquely qualified to provide the answer to the other question that's been buggin me; "What color is the sky in Candyland?""Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #15 May 22, 2006 Quoteyou don't treat women as equals, but not in the way you might think. You idealize them.Then I suppose I idealize men too... because I treat everyone with the respect that I would like in return...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #16 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteThere should be a Cosmo forum.Isn't that what the women only forum is? Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #17 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThere should be a Cosmo forum.Isn't that what the women only forum is? Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No... because then none of the men would have been able to post smart ass responses... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #18 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThere should be a Cosmo forum.Isn't that what the women only forum is? Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No... because then none of the men would have been able to post smart ass responses... Brilliant! The women's forum does serve a purpose after all...."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites plutoniumsalmon 0 #19 May 22, 2006 I guess that this would be abad time to mention the joke I heard about what one tells a woman with two black eyes? Pointy birds Oh pointy pointy Anoint my head Anointy nointy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sartre 0 #20 May 22, 2006 Quote Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No I think you're in the appropriate forum. But I wonder how many of us women really enjoy being treated like "one of the guys"? Me personally, I like being treated like a woman. That doesn't mean less than a man, just different than a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #21 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuote Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No I think you're in the appropriate forum. But I wonder how many of us women really enjoy being treated like "one of the guys"? Me personally, I like being treated like a woman. That doesn't mean less than a man, just different than a man.This is the point I was trying to make... thanks... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #22 May 22, 2006 Quotewhat I needed to be happy was someone 'to take complete care of me" Eek. Seriously, just eek. I certainly hope that if I ever need it (e.g., I am actually physically unable to care for myself), I will have chosen a partner who will "take complete care of me." And I have no trouble letting a S.O. do things for me, as I will for him. But having someone "take complete care of me" when I am perfectly capable of taking complete care of myself would actually make me very, very unhappy. And I am kind of sad for your friend because it sounds like she's waiting around for someone to make her happy when she could be getting on with living her life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #23 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuote Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No I think you're in the appropriate forum. But I wonder how many of us women really enjoy being treated like "one of the guys"? Me personally, I like being treated like a woman. That doesn't mean less than a man, just different than a man. I guess I didn't read the quote that way. I definitely want to be appreciated for my woman-hood, and I absolutely love being a woman. I just don't want to be put on a pedestal, tiptoed around, or somehow treated as if I am less able to "handle" certain topics as a man. I may choose not to engage in them (really, there are things that I think a guy would have much more fun chatting about with his guy friends, just as there are things I'll have more fun chatting about with my girlfriends), but I don't want to be protected from them, either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #24 May 22, 2006 I think that women don't all want the same things. Maybe we're real people....individuals....a diverse lot :) I think that lumping us all together like she does in that quote kind of sells us a bit short. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sartre 0 #25 May 22, 2006 QuoteI just don't want to be put on a pedestal, tiptoed around, or somehow treated as if I am less able to "handle" certain topics as a man. I agree, about the latter half, but hey, if a man wants to put me on a pedestal, I'll take it!! 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NtheSeaOrSky 0 #10 May 22, 2006 QuoteI'm willing to bet there are a lot of women who don't want that. NO KIDDING!!!! I had a discussion this week with someone who tried her best to convince me what I needed to be happy was someone 'to take complete care of me" - she didn't get the part where that was only what SHE wanted and that would not make everyone (especially me) happy. I argued till I was blue in the face, she still never got it. .Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #11 May 22, 2006 QuoteI do treat women as my equal... I have done so my entire life... I think there's more to it then that... You're right that there's probably more to it than that, but her response is a nice start ... if you think of women as individual human beings and not as a "separate species" where "all" feel the same way, you're well on your way to connecting with at least some of them. And, if I had to make an assessment based on your posts here, you don't treat women as equals, but not in the way you might think. You idealize them... which makes it impossible for you to really relate to them. Obviously, I don't know you ... you can take all of that as a crock of shit, but that's an impression I have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #12 May 22, 2006 There should be a Cosmo forum.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #13 May 22, 2006 QuoteThere should be a Cosmo forum.Isn't that what the women only forum is?Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #14 May 22, 2006 QuoteNo, this isn't a joke... I actually thought this was the best possible answer to this question I've ever heard. (It's from Carolyn Hax at The Washington Post, who writes a great column called Tell Me About It). QuoteQ. Guys really want to know "what women want." What is it? A. Not to be treated as a foreign species? Talk to woman as you would a man. If there's something you feel you must censor, then that says to me that you're not seeing a woman as an equal, but as a thing to be handled delicately. Bleah. If you talk naturally to a woman and she finds you offensive, good--she's the last person you'd want for a relationship. And if every woman finds you offensive, then it's time to revisit your true opinion of women. Gee, thanks. Now I know.You may be uniquely qualified to provide the answer to the other question that's been buggin me; "What color is the sky in Candyland?""Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #15 May 22, 2006 Quoteyou don't treat women as equals, but not in the way you might think. You idealize them.Then I suppose I idealize men too... because I treat everyone with the respect that I would like in return...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #16 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteThere should be a Cosmo forum.Isn't that what the women only forum is? Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #17 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThere should be a Cosmo forum.Isn't that what the women only forum is? Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No... because then none of the men would have been able to post smart ass responses... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #18 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThere should be a Cosmo forum.Isn't that what the women only forum is? Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No... because then none of the men would have been able to post smart ass responses... Brilliant! The women's forum does serve a purpose after all...."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plutoniumsalmon 0 #19 May 22, 2006 I guess that this would be abad time to mention the joke I heard about what one tells a woman with two black eyes? Pointy birds Oh pointy pointy Anoint my head Anointy nointy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sartre 0 #20 May 22, 2006 Quote Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No I think you're in the appropriate forum. But I wonder how many of us women really enjoy being treated like "one of the guys"? Me personally, I like being treated like a woman. That doesn't mean less than a man, just different than a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #21 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuote Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No I think you're in the appropriate forum. But I wonder how many of us women really enjoy being treated like "one of the guys"? Me personally, I like being treated like a woman. That doesn't mean less than a man, just different than a man.This is the point I was trying to make... thanks... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #22 May 22, 2006 Quotewhat I needed to be happy was someone 'to take complete care of me" Eek. Seriously, just eek. I certainly hope that if I ever need it (e.g., I am actually physically unable to care for myself), I will have chosen a partner who will "take complete care of me." And I have no trouble letting a S.O. do things for me, as I will for him. But having someone "take complete care of me" when I am perfectly capable of taking complete care of myself would actually make me very, very unhappy. And I am kind of sad for your friend because it sounds like she's waiting around for someone to make her happy when she could be getting on with living her life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #23 May 22, 2006 QuoteQuote Yeah, apparently I should have posted it over there. No I think you're in the appropriate forum. But I wonder how many of us women really enjoy being treated like "one of the guys"? Me personally, I like being treated like a woman. That doesn't mean less than a man, just different than a man. I guess I didn't read the quote that way. I definitely want to be appreciated for my woman-hood, and I absolutely love being a woman. I just don't want to be put on a pedestal, tiptoed around, or somehow treated as if I am less able to "handle" certain topics as a man. I may choose not to engage in them (really, there are things that I think a guy would have much more fun chatting about with his guy friends, just as there are things I'll have more fun chatting about with my girlfriends), but I don't want to be protected from them, either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #24 May 22, 2006 I think that women don't all want the same things. Maybe we're real people....individuals....a diverse lot :) I think that lumping us all together like she does in that quote kind of sells us a bit short. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sartre 0 #25 May 22, 2006 QuoteI just don't want to be put on a pedestal, tiptoed around, or somehow treated as if I am less able to "handle" certain topics as a man. I agree, about the latter half, but hey, if a man wants to put me on a pedestal, I'll take it!! But only if I'm still allowed to say "fuck". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
