hudsonderek 0 #1 October 7, 2007 why does Icarus not recommend psycho packing the crossfire 2 but recommends it for the Saffire 2? does this hold true for crossfire 1s or might they suggest psycho packing for the 1's? and is the primary difference between the crossfire 1 and 2 line trim? appreciate any input Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #2 October 7, 2007 icarus canopy material is pretty easy to pro pack it's not near as slick as precisions material. As for why I really could not tell you, but I have seen it done.don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #3 October 8, 2007 I've seen xfire's psycho packed with no problems. Of course xfire's already open slow, so I imagine psycho packing one would be a scary slow opening."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #4 October 8, 2007 Psyco packing doesn't change the opening a bit, it simply can make bagging easier for those that have trouble bagging a canopy.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdog07 0 #5 October 8, 2007 this one guy had crossfire 1 he was psycho packing and he show me how to psycho packed my diablo 135 and I jump it, It open so slow (abut 900-1000ft) I was ready to chop it, that was a first and last time I psycho pack any canopy"A peaceful heart leads to a healthy body; jealousy is like cancer in the bones ..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #6 October 8, 2007 my buddy had asked icarus about the psycho pack when he first got his canopy, and they told him not to psycho, to propack. .. he has the safire2. .. something about it lasting longer/less stress on the canopy with the propack? .. i can't remember the details he gave me.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #7 October 8, 2007 thats their statment, check their website..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #8 October 8, 2007 I would guess that it would come down to R&D. Icarus wouldn't want to spend X amount of R&D jumps just to see if a psycho packed canopy opens any different. So they say pro-pack it as that's how they would have tested and developed the canopy and then they don't get people complaining if they have problem with a psycho pack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swanee 0 #9 October 8, 2007 When I bought my Safire in 2001 the manual recommended psycho packing so that's what I have done for the last 1,500 jumps on it. I see the manual now recommends pro packing for all their canopies--I have no plans to change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
precision 0 #10 October 9, 2007 QuoteI would guess that it would come down to R&D. Icarus wouldn't want to spend X amount of R&D jumps just to see if a psycho packed canopy opens any different. So they say pro-pack it as that's how they would have tested and developed the canopy and then they don't get people complaining if they have problem with a psycho pack. Don't be so naive. We built the first 1000 Icarus canopies and produced 100% of the original Icarus marketing program. All Icarus canopies were psycho-packed from the get-go, including the Fx, Vx, Safire, Crossfire, Tandem and Omega. I personally developed the psycho-pack before Icarus was even on the map outside of New Zealand. (see the article in Parachutist magazine December 1995) Anybody that leads you to believe any different is ill-informed or ill-willed. Whatever reason Icarus has for not recommending the psychopack has nothing to do with parachutes, only politics. George Galloway Precision Aerodynamics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #11 October 9, 2007 By the way... Do you think psycho packing slows down the opening ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #12 October 9, 2007 Well then I stand corrected. I have seen in other industries where a different means to the same end is not certified by a manufacturer for this reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #13 October 9, 2007 QuotePsyco packing doesn't change the opening a bit, it simply can make bagging easier for those that have trouble bagging a canopy. I get noticeably softer openings wing I psycho pack my Monarch 135 without rolling the nose compared to a pro-pack with rolled nose and tail. The only real disadvantage is on canopies smaller than the bag they're going in. It's easy to get a tighter pack job which ends up being longer and skinnier. On the ground the shape seems to catch in the corners of the rig. I suspect this leads to the degraded openings I observed, with less heading consistency and more line twists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #14 October 10, 2007 I also tried psycho packing my hornet when I had one.. I feel it did slow down the opening quite a bit. I tried psycho packing only a bit before moving on to a vengeance ( wich has nice openings already) so I never really started packing psycho regularilly. So ofcourse my experience is kinda limited.. But I would be suprised if all the people who tell me they psycho pack because of the openings, were wrong... EDIT: cant spell engilish... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SansSuit 1 #15 October 10, 2007 QuoteBy the way... Do you think psycho packing slows down the opening ? Yes. Physically, it takes longer for a psycho pack to "unroll" than it does for an "S-folded" pro pack to unfold. It is only a small amount of time, but you can definitely feel the difference. Peace, -Jeff.Peace, -Dawson. http://www.SansSuit.com The Society for the Advancement of Naked Skydiving Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #16 October 10, 2007 I have a Sabre 170, a canopy well known for hard openings. I have always pyscho packed it and the openings have always treated me well. That said I have heard people say that psycho packing a sabre makes the openings harder... It works well for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #17 October 10, 2007 Well, not all the Sabre(1)s are opening hard. I would not say its opening soft just because of the way you bag it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmetz 0 #18 October 10, 2007 I had a Sabre 170 that had a new center top skin on it, so it was pretty slick while trying to s-fold. And being that it was my first canopy and I was new at the packing thing, I learned to psycho pack for that reason. However, I did notice that my occasional slammer openings seemed to disappear after starting to psycho pack. Now I know that there were other variables involved in my case, such as the likelyhood of inconsistant pack jobs to begin with, but I believe that psycho packing can slow down your opening if you want it to. I no longer psycho pack, though, because I don't "need" to; so why risk the wear and tear._________________________________________ "If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #19 October 11, 2007 I wouldn't say the openings are soft, they are quick, but fine. You are probably right, its not just the bagging technique that would give me good openings, its the whole pack job. But I have heard a number of people say they'd never psycho pack a sabre because they believe they will get slammed. As I said, it works well for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #20 October 11, 2007 Packing is a religious stuff in skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
