Its official. I trashpack - Poynter says so - so it must be true.

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Ok, so I have been told that some of my 4 minute packjobs (main, not reserve) are "trashpacks".

I am reading Poynter's second edition, page 375:

"Pro (Proper Ram-Air Oriention) packing (or trash packing)"

Seriously - oldskool folks, do you, or did you, call a neat propack a "trash pack?"

[skybytch 273]

Yes.

Oh and btw, PRO is not short for "proper ramair orientation." It's short for "prepare for reserve opening."

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.. do you, or did you, call a neat propack a "trash pack?"

It was called that a while back because the name "PRO pack" did not exist. Not many people did a "trash pack" because it implied a poorly done pack job. But lo and behold, as soon as it was named "PRO pack" it became popular! (Marketing.)

At this point in time I would say that a PRO pack is somewhat neater because the cells are flaked. I believe most people simply shook the canopy when it was a trash pack.

But they are very close indeed.

[diablopilot 2]

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At this point in time I would say that a PRO pack is somewhat neater because the cells are flaked. I believe most people simply shook the canopy when it was a trash pack.

What is this "flake" that you speak of?

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What is this "flake" that you speak of?

I don't know what that smiley means so assuming it isn't a rhetorical question, the answer is, "where you put your hand down in between the cells and straighten them out."

[jakee 1,563]

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I believe most people simply shook the canopy when it was a trash pack.

Why the past tense?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[councilman24 37]

The thing I called a trash pack was a little different. In about 1980 a Dan T used to through the canopy on the ground nose down and rake the lines toward the canopy with his fingers. Seems like then he just started wrapping the tail.

Lately I agree with Gary. To me the guys trash packing are the ones that pick it up, shake it, and wrap the tail.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

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The thing I called a trash pack was a little different. In about 1980 a Dan T used to through the canopy on the ground nose down and rake the lines toward the canopy with his fingers. Seems like then he just started wrapping the tail.

Lately I agree with Gary. To me the guys trash packing are the ones that pick it up, shake it, and wrap the tail.

I use to watch in awe, a guy that would pull the slider up, stow it on a rubber-band at the center bottom front cell...wrap the tail around the mess and coil the lines into the pack-tray save one stow on a frapstrap.

minute and a half max, and ready to go....it USUALLY opened!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[tr027 0]

It's hilarious that you've fooled yourself into thinking a 4 minute pack can be remotely described as "neat". So what if you trash pack, it's only your rig, nobody elses.

"The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957

[councilman24 37]

Yeah saw some worse than Dan too. Did this guy pull the nose out to inflate instead of having a PC? That was really scary. Dan's rig also had the PC between the back pad and the main container. Maybe a more secure place than a BOC?

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[airtwardo 7]

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Yeah saw some worse than Dan too. Did this guy pull the nose out to inflate instead of having a PC? That was really scary. Dan's rig also had the PC between the back pad and the main container. Maybe a more secure place than a BOC?

No... as I recall it was a pullout, the PC was just wadded up and smashed into the lower right corner with a little orange twinkie sticking out of the seam.

I wanna say it was a unit, but not 100% sure on that.

I don't remember they guys name, from central Illinois, he use to say - packs fast & flat & light.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[diablopilot 2]

There is no reason a 4 minute pack job can't be considered neat.

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It's hilarious that you've fooled yourself into thinking a 4 minute pack can be remotely described as "neat".

No - reread my post... I kind of hinted my 4 minute packjobs are not neat. (neatness depends on mood at the time, not time spent.)

I have been told two pieces of advice that I have taken to heart.

Person 1 - Master Rigger - 2500 reserve packjobs:
"There is no such thing as a fabric malfunction, only line malfunctions."

(Hence, I pay more attention to line neatness than fabric neatness on my trash packs.)

Person 2 - 1000+ Base Jump pack jobs:
"Screw-up the symmetrically with lines in the center and you will be fine."

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So what if you trash pack, it's only your rig, nobody elses.

I don't care - you are right... The purpose of this thread was to discover how the packing perspectives have changed over the years - how once PRO packing was considered the dirty dangerous new sloppy technique.

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It's hilarious that you've fooled yourself into thinking a 4 minute pack can be remotely described as "neat".

No - reread my post... I kind of hinted my 4 minute packjobs are not neat. (neatness depends on mood at the time, not time spent.)

I have been told two pieces of advice that I have taken to heart.

Person 1 - Master Rigger - 2500 reserve packjobs:
"There is no such thing as a fabric malfunction, only line malfunctions."

(Hence, I pay more attention to line neatness than fabric neatness on my trash packs.)

Person 2 - 1000+ Base Jump pack jobs:
"Screw-up the symmetrically with lines in the center and you will be fine."

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So what if you trash pack, it's only your rig, nobody elses.

I don't care - you are right... The purpose of this thread was to discover how the packing perspectives have changed over the years - how once PRO packing was considered the dirty dangerous new sloppy technique.

Yeah..that's what I've always found, if the lines are straight It'll open, if the fabric is straight the canopy will last longer.

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Yeah..that's what I've always found, if the lines are straight It'll open

Exactly - It doesn't matter if it takes one an hour and a half or < 2minutes as long as it's about

Line Order (lines to the inside/fabric to the outside)
Line Tension

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[drjump 0]

Basically the same as 'side' packing a round. Flake it and pull the sleeve down over it. Why take all that time to pleat each gore?

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Basically the same as 'side' packing a round. Flake it and pull the sleeve down over it. Why take all that time to pleat each gore?

Hey! I remember you watching me pack like that once, and saying "I sure didn't teach you to pack like that" in a rather disapproving tone

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[drjump 0]

All good instructors teach two ways: 1-The right/book way, and 2-My way! Side packing (a round) just streched the 4 center rear lines more than the rest of them. When are you going to make a jump with again?--Doc

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The thing I called a trash pack was a little different. In about 1980 a Dan T used to through the canopy on the ground nose down and rake the lines toward the canopy with his fingers. Seems like then he just started wrapping the tail.

Lately I agree with Gary. To me the guys trash packing are the ones that pick it up, shake it, and wrap the tail.

I use to watch in awe, a guy that would pull the slider up, stow it on a rubber-band at the center bottom front cell...wrap the tail around the mess and coil the lines into the pack-tray save one stow on a frapstrap.

minute and a half max, and ready to go....it USUALLY opened!

Back in the 80's (F-111 days), that was not such an uncommon way to pack. I had a Viking Superlite that I packed in that manner. It really worked fine.