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Wine: what are your favorites?

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All Napa wines

Merlot
Twomey - $50
Milat - $26

Pinot Nior
BV - $18

Chenin Blanc
Milat - $18

Rose
Milat - Pine Station - Rosé - $9

Chardoney
Miner - Wild Yeast - $50

Dessert
Rober Sinskey - Zinskey Late - Late Harvest Zinfandel
Grgich - Violetta, Late Harvest Chardonnay

Niebaum-Coppola Winery
2003 Director's Reserve Sauvignon Blanc
2001 Director's Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon
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Caymus Conundrum is selling for $135 now? That's freakin nutz! I remember when it first came out many years ago and it was around $35 a bottle. Good stuff though.



That had to be an accidental "1". Also, it's no longer sold under the Caymus label. It's simply "Conundrum" and it's the only wine made by Conundrum Wines. ;)

Blues,
Dave



Yeah, must have been. I see it still sells for much less.

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Cheap & red;)

and a lot of it...:P



I like the way you think. ;)




Cheap red wine tends to give me terrible headaches, so I'm very hesitant about which ones I'll try. I didn't drink reds for years because they made me feel so awful, but one of the guys at the local wine cellar (Hi-Time) recommended the Fly By Night Zinfandel and told me that he promised it wouldn't give me a headache (and would get me my money back if it did). I tried it, no headache.

Does anyone know why red wine gives some people headaches, and why some reds will give headaches and others won't?

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Cabernet blend - Cloud9 Composition $30 - available at your local Beverages and More here in California, or on the internet at www.cloud9wine.com. Not that I am part owner in the company and want to use this opportunity to shamelessly promote or anything.

Zinfandel - Cloud9 Siety - $30
Available at www.cloud9wine.com

Other blends - Muse - $12
Red - Mingle
White - Genie
Have no idea where to get it yet...www.musewinery.com
Not that I have any financial interest in this one either...

Seriously, though, they are awesome wines...you gotta try!

:-)

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not at this point. :( They don't make enough of it right now to be carried in a major retailer like that, just smaller stores. They are actually sold out of all of it right now.

The Composition is actually in the cab section, but it has a variety in it, like some zin, tempernillo, syrah, barbera, etc. It's really good.

Otherwise, I like The Ridge Zins, still around $30.

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Try a Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc. They're from New Zealand. There are several labels, most of them good, and typically running around $10-15.



Sancerre would be the French equilivent, and it tends to sell at the same price points. People spend big bucks for Chardonnay, but not for this white. Both are good for those who prefer a crisp style, rather than the sweet and/or buttery SB typical in California.

Other value types:
Rhone Reds are often available in the 8-13$ range. Parallel 45 is widely available as an example. A lot of grenache and syrah here, so tastes preferences may decide yes/no.

Umbria Vitiano is a cheap Italian red blend.

Ravenswood has been the king of cheap Zin with the $7 Vintners Blend. But keep the style in mind - their motto is No Wimpy Wines. There are many good expensive zins out there, but so many decent cheaper ones that I don't bother any more. Almost anything from Dry Creek will satisfy my fruit forward preferences.

Thousand Flowers is a poor man's Conundrum, but I'm not sure how widely available it is. It was very cheap, now I think it's inched up to 7 or 8$.

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Bevmo pricing is just ok. It's typically a buck or two over the Wine Club pricing. If you're close enough to Santa Ana, you should visit it, Kris. It can bias a bit to the pricy, but there is plenty at the other end and any 'bad' selections will be a preference issue, not a quality one.

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Cheap red wine tends to give me terrible headaches, so I'm very hesitant about which ones I'll try. I didn't drink reds for years because they made me feel so awful, but one of the guys at the local wine cellar (Hi-Time) recommended the Fly By Night Zinfandel and told me that he promised it wouldn't give me a headache (and would get me my money back if it did). I tried it, no headache.

Does anyone know why red wine gives some people headaches, and why some reds will give headaches and others won't?



Which ones set you off? How cheap is cheap?

Well, I find red wine to be hangover proof, but white wines are more dangerous. I love tasting dessert wines, but they're the worst.

The residual sugar is the primary culprit. Most reds are fully dry. Dessert wines are obviously very high. But a lot of whites have sugar - many consumers seem to like it. Kendal Jackson Char is an example.

I think I've read that some people react to the tannins, which is present in reds, and especially reds like Cab. That could be getting you, or it could be that these were just really badly made wines.

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Does anyone know why red wine gives some people headaches, and why some reds will give headaches and others won't?



If you google red wine, headaches and tannins, you will come up with a boat load (52,000) of hits.
At this time tannins are felt to be one of the main triggers for migraines. Tannins are also found in: Bruised fruits, Red skinned apples and pears, Berries, cherries, Tea and coffee, Alfalfa, Barley, Chocolate, Nuts, Apple Juice, Apple Cider, Beer, Grape Juice, Black and Red Beans, Apricots, ripe bananas, unripe peaches, Kiwi, Persimmons, pomegranates, dates, currants, nectarines, Eggplant, smoked meats, most herbs, and even left overs.
Thats not to say that if you eat any one of these you will have a migraine, different people have different levels of sensitivity to tannins and different triggers for their migraines.

But... that might answer some of your question.

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well im not much of a classy wine guy, but i like BV Costal in a good year... tasty red. but i'm perfectly happy with franzia chardonnay ;) in the box, drunkaliciouse... there are a few more favs, but who cares, they're all doing the same thine to me. I just remember my first time with my cute lil lady at the park, we drank good red together and held each other, kissing every once and a while, i can still feel every aspect of the whole night, even down to the good personal parts. Those were the days, wouldn't you kill for thoses again? i would... damn it, life sucks when you're sober. f-it


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Cheap red wine tends to give me terrible headaches,



I think I might be the opposite:D

We dine at a lot of higher-end restaurants b/c I LOVE dining out and having long meals in a relaxed, dim-lighted atmosphere. It's one of my favorite things. But, no matter where I am, I order the "House Red":D

The other night, we were at an upscale bar & tavern and our friend knew the bartender really well. Consequently he served us free all night---and only the best. I have no idea what kind of red wine it was he was serving me, but I definitely tasted it was different than what I was used to (not in a good or bad way. Wine is wine to me:P). About an hour after we got home I felt really nauseaus. I got sick to my belly several times that night and had a terrible headache and lightheadedness. Frankly I don't think I had enough to be drunk, definitely a good buzz though. So my reaction was surprising to say the least[:/]
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Here are some whines I am familiar with:
I want to go to Florida this year.
I'm cold, turn up the heat.
Are you ever going to paint the living room?
Why did you have to mention that to my mother?
So what if things get broken, my sisters kids are not a menace.

Now as for wines...a friend of mine flys the good stuff in from Europe on air force C 5 missions, hehehehe my tax dollars at work!
Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

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try taking an anti-histamine before you go to sleep after drinking red wine. it's an old trick, but it works for most people.

and then get a bottle of Marcquess de Caceres Rioja.
it's about $12.00 a bottle and is unbelievably good as an all purpose wine.


pulling is cool. keep it in the skin

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interesting...an antihistamine?

Maybe that's why I never get headaches. I take one every night to sleep b/c I have minor allergies that only seem to really stuff up my nose and make me sneeze, etc. at night in bed. When I take one, even though they say they only last 4-6 hours, I can sleep 8 hours beautifully.
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interesting...an antihistamine?

Maybe that's why I never get headaches...



Wine - especially red wine - is a chemically complex substance and, of course, so is the human body. People experience a wide variety of undesirable effects from drinking wine: http://www.nobody-knows-anything.com/2003/10/wine_allergies.html

Sulfites have gotten much of the bad rap, but research seems to indicate that the amount found in most wines isn't the culprit for the vast majority (about 99%) of folks. Usually it is something else, like the histamines mentioned in several posts. This article addresses the headache issue (but you have to read down past the real cork vs. artificial cork debate) and backs up the idea of taking an antihistamine: http://www.wineloverspage.com/oxford/corked.shtml

The amount of tannins in a wine also can cause mild allergic reactions for some people. Full-bodied reds, of course, typically have the most tannins. If you get a headache from "heavy" red wine, try a lighter red and remember to drink as much water as you drink wine. And pop an ibuprofen tablet BEFORE you start drinking instead of after your headache has started.

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There is an up and coming wine maker in the Central California, Paso Robles wine region making wine under the label RN ESTATE... They are producing very small productions of some exceptional wines and a few rhone style blends that will cause explosions of ecstasy in you mouth...;);)... Plus I hear that you can jump onto the land right next to it.

Cheers!B|

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