hackish 8 #1 January 14, 2008 I've found out that my reserve has 2 tiny holes in it. They are below the minimum size for requiring a patch and are in the top skin away from a rib or any other high stress area. I'm just wondering what the general opinion is on having these two holes patched. One is about 1/8" square and the other is about 1/16" and they are about 3" apart. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #2 January 14, 2008 What did your rigger say? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marinho 0 #3 January 14, 2008 QuoteI've found out that my reserve has 2 tiny holes in it. They are below the minimum size for requiring a patch and are in the top skin away from a rib or any other high stress area. I'm just wondering what the general opinion is on having these two holes patched. One is about 1/8" square and the other is about 1/16" and they are about 3" apart. -Michael I suggest you to contact the manufacturer of your container. I truly believe only them can answer your question. Cheers,Gus Marinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #4 January 14, 2008 QuoteI suggest you to contact the manufacturer of your container. I truly believe only them can answer your question. What does a container manufacturer know about reserves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 January 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteI suggest you to contact the manufacturer of your container. I truly believe only them can answer your question. What does a container manufacturer know about reserves? Reserves are packed in accordance with the container manufacturer's instructions, that is the prevailing guidance.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marinho 0 #6 January 14, 2008 Quote Quote I suggest you to contact the manufacturer of your container. I truly believe only them can answer your question. What does a container manufacturer know about reserves? Ooops, I thought I read reserve PC. You're right! Still, contact the manufacturer!!!Gus Marinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMT 0 #7 January 14, 2008 I would hold it up to a light and look at the fabric weave, if the threads are pushed aside but not damaged the rigger could probably work them back into order. If the threads are damaged or the holes were caused by friction, (my LoPos seemed to suffer from this), then being a reserve it should probably be repaired as stress from fabric tension will concentrate on the edges of the holes possibly causing the damage to propagate, I assume the air flowing through the hole during deployment would also contribute to tearing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #8 January 14, 2008 MAte, personally, i know that there will be a more logic explanation of what to do than what i am about to say but seriously.. If my Reserve had a hole in it i would get a new reserve. To me the reserve is the last line of defence and i would not want a reserve with a patsh on it or a hole in it. I know it is a bit drastic but it is a reserve and i like to feel good about my reserve. So many people have got these aerodyne 35$ off vouchers from the eloy boogie, they were given away for free to everyone who attended. I would suggest to get one of those and buy a new one while donating this one to a school or childrens centre. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #9 January 14, 2008 Man, do you get a new car when you need brake pads? Or do you work for PD?There is a reason the manufacturer allows patches. It OKAY! Sure unlimited funds I might do the same, for absolutely no good reason.And instead of giving to a school he should give it to me so I'd have another reserve to jump. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #10 January 14, 2008 I am not concerned about the reserve functioning patched or unpatched. The largest hole is exactly 1 ripstop square which if you look at the rules for patching does not "require" a patch. I understand how you feel about it but being into the technical end of things I do not feel the same way. Probably the largest influence on how the reserve does its job is going to be how well it is packed and don't worry I'll pack that sucker up carefully! Maybe this weekend if i go and pack it again I'll snap some photos. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #11 January 14, 2008 no but i am a distributor. The reserve is my most valued and looked after asset. If it is in any way not up to new standards then i personally would buy a new one. just me. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #12 January 14, 2008 I've be very concerned about finding out why the reserve has damage.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #13 January 14, 2008 my safire 2 has 2 little holes that are one rip stop each and i have just left them. They were caused by a thorn bush. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefalle 0 #14 January 14, 2008 QuoteI've be very concerned about finding out why the reserve has damage. Damn skippy. GENERALLY speaking reserves get ripped during careless repack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #15 January 14, 2008 This is my point. People say do you buy a new car when it gets a dent.... I say i would not be happy with a reserve with holes in it cause i dont know how it has been treated. Personally i look after my gear so it does not get holes in it and if it did get holes in it from my rigger then ..... well, i dont know actually, the last thing i want to do is fuck my rigger off. Funny thing is i only started looking after my gear so good when i was the muppet who had to walk around with a rig that had a cigarette hole in it from my bad habit. Actually, that reminds me off my instructor showing me how to pack, while he was standing over a canopy on the ground he had the smoke hanging from his mouth and telling us at the same time to never smoke around a canopy. real old school guy. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #16 January 14, 2008 The holes were burned in it by a closing loop that was cut from the back as an experiment for a skydiving mag article that came out a number of years ago. All the gear is in really good shape save this little problem. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMT 0 #17 January 14, 2008 Quote>MAte, personally, i know that there will be a more logic explanation of what to do than what i am about to say but seriously.. If my Reserve had a hole in it i would get a new reserve< Feel free to correct my logic: if your reserve is constructed by being sewn together then why would you fear a sewn patch that probably wont be larger than 2 inches? If the reserve was "burned" through by the closing loop with only a 1/8" hole, it would probably last forever, but its still a hole, and I see no logical reason not to repair it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrEaK_aCcIdEnT 0 #18 January 14, 2008 I know this is a dumb question and by no means am I a rigger, so don't hose me to bad here. Can you push your thumb through it? you know, the old rigger's thumb test. I would think that would be a decent indication as to whether it needed a patch or not. ExPeCt ThE uNeXpEcTeD! DoNt MiNd ThE tYpOs, Im LaZy On CoRrEcTiOnS! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #19 January 14, 2008 Its personal taste mate. I like new stuff. Everything in my house is new and clean and in good condition, i like things that way. Thats all. Maybe the things in my house are only new because i just moved to this country but you get my point. I just like new stuff. Surely there is nothing wrong with that. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beatnik 2 #20 January 14, 2008 Why waste the money repairing a hole that doesn't need repairing? If you can't fit your figure through the hole it won't need repairing and really won't affect anything. If it gets larger, which I can't see any reason it would if it is being packed properly and not abused, then patch it. Also, being about 3 inches apart is getting close together once you start patching. The person doing it might just do one patch and then you are left with one big one in the reserve and judging by the description, it doesn't need them in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jee 0 #21 January 14, 2008 QuoteI've found out that my reserve has 2 tiny holes in it. They are below the minimum size for requiring a patch and are in the top skin away from a rib or any other high stress area. I'm just wondering what the general opinion is on having these two holes patched. One is about 1/8" square and the other is about 1/16" and they are about 3" apart. -Michael You can buy a brand new PD reserve for $800.00. Buy one today. Why would you want to take any chances with your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #22 January 14, 2008 You buy a brand new reserve after every pack job?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mark 107 #23 January 14, 2008 QuoteI've found out that my reserve has 2 tiny holes in it. They are below the minimum size for requiring a patch and are in the top skin away from a rib or any other high stress area. I'm just wondering what the general opinion is on having these two holes patched. One is about 1/8" square and the other is about 1/16" and they are about 3" apart. -Michael From the PD Reserve Owner's Manual: "Small snags and holes small than 1/8 inch square (one ripstop box) located further than 10 inches from the closest line attachment may be left unrepaired as long as as there are no more than one in an 10-inch circle. A maximum of three such snags per cell are allowed." Depending on your exact circumstances, the damage you describe may require repair, and maybe not. If it does require repair, PD says: "Any hole or tear up to 10 inches in length may be repaired by a senior rigger as long as the closest area of the completed reapir is at least 1 inch from the nearest seam and at least 5 inches from the nearest tape or line attachment. These are minor repairs." The FAA says a minor repair is anything that's not a major repair; a major repair is one that, if done improperly, might affect the airworthiness of the system. By extension, a minor repair is one that, if done improperly, will not affect the airworthiness of the system. Put the PD instructions and FAA definition together and draw your own conclusions. I think you're looking at a $50 repair at most, and I'd take that over the $800 repair other folks have proposed. If you do decide to throw away your canopy, please throw it my way. I'll be happy to pay for shipping. Thanks in advance! Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peek 21 #24 January 14, 2008 QuoteReserves are packed in accordance with the container manufacturer's instructions, that is the prevailing guidance. Do you have a reference for that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #25 January 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteReserves are packed in accordance with the container manufacturer's instructions, that is the prevailing guidance. Do you have a reference for that? As it relates to some of the canopy manuals. For example, on PD Reserve's Manual, Part XVII, it states: QuoteIf the rig manufacturer specifies a packing method other than the one shown, and the rig manufacturer specifically authorizes its use for this parachute you may decide which instructions to follow. Aerodyne's Smart manual says in 3.1.7: QuoteUsing the manufacturer's manual as a guide, inspect the harness / container system into which the SMART RESERVE is to be packed. I've not looked at every source. Also, the container manufacturer will usually outline the best way to position the canopy when packing into the free-bag, to ensure the best position for compressing the spring and pilot chute, etc. edit to add: AC 105-2c, Para 11A (thanks Mark, I knew I overlooked something)So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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FrEaK_aCcIdEnT 0 #18 January 14, 2008 I know this is a dumb question and by no means am I a rigger, so don't hose me to bad here. Can you push your thumb through it? you know, the old rigger's thumb test. I would think that would be a decent indication as to whether it needed a patch or not. ExPeCt ThE uNeXpEcTeD! DoNt MiNd ThE tYpOs, Im LaZy On CoRrEcTiOnS! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #19 January 14, 2008 Its personal taste mate. I like new stuff. Everything in my house is new and clean and in good condition, i like things that way. Thats all. Maybe the things in my house are only new because i just moved to this country but you get my point. I just like new stuff. Surely there is nothing wrong with that. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #20 January 14, 2008 Why waste the money repairing a hole that doesn't need repairing? If you can't fit your figure through the hole it won't need repairing and really won't affect anything. If it gets larger, which I can't see any reason it would if it is being packed properly and not abused, then patch it. Also, being about 3 inches apart is getting close together once you start patching. The person doing it might just do one patch and then you are left with one big one in the reserve and judging by the description, it doesn't need them in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jee 0 #21 January 14, 2008 QuoteI've found out that my reserve has 2 tiny holes in it. They are below the minimum size for requiring a patch and are in the top skin away from a rib or any other high stress area. I'm just wondering what the general opinion is on having these two holes patched. One is about 1/8" square and the other is about 1/16" and they are about 3" apart. -Michael You can buy a brand new PD reserve for $800.00. Buy one today. Why would you want to take any chances with your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #22 January 14, 2008 You buy a brand new reserve after every pack job?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #23 January 14, 2008 QuoteI've found out that my reserve has 2 tiny holes in it. They are below the minimum size for requiring a patch and are in the top skin away from a rib or any other high stress area. I'm just wondering what the general opinion is on having these two holes patched. One is about 1/8" square and the other is about 1/16" and they are about 3" apart. -Michael From the PD Reserve Owner's Manual: "Small snags and holes small than 1/8 inch square (one ripstop box) located further than 10 inches from the closest line attachment may be left unrepaired as long as as there are no more than one in an 10-inch circle. A maximum of three such snags per cell are allowed." Depending on your exact circumstances, the damage you describe may require repair, and maybe not. If it does require repair, PD says: "Any hole or tear up to 10 inches in length may be repaired by a senior rigger as long as the closest area of the completed reapir is at least 1 inch from the nearest seam and at least 5 inches from the nearest tape or line attachment. These are minor repairs." The FAA says a minor repair is anything that's not a major repair; a major repair is one that, if done improperly, might affect the airworthiness of the system. By extension, a minor repair is one that, if done improperly, will not affect the airworthiness of the system. Put the PD instructions and FAA definition together and draw your own conclusions. I think you're looking at a $50 repair at most, and I'd take that over the $800 repair other folks have proposed. If you do decide to throw away your canopy, please throw it my way. I'll be happy to pay for shipping. Thanks in advance! Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 21 #24 January 14, 2008 QuoteReserves are packed in accordance with the container manufacturer's instructions, that is the prevailing guidance. Do you have a reference for that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #25 January 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteReserves are packed in accordance with the container manufacturer's instructions, that is the prevailing guidance. Do you have a reference for that? As it relates to some of the canopy manuals. For example, on PD Reserve's Manual, Part XVII, it states: QuoteIf the rig manufacturer specifies a packing method other than the one shown, and the rig manufacturer specifically authorizes its use for this parachute you may decide which instructions to follow. Aerodyne's Smart manual says in 3.1.7: QuoteUsing the manufacturer's manual as a guide, inspect the harness / container system into which the SMART RESERVE is to be packed. I've not looked at every source. Also, the container manufacturer will usually outline the best way to position the canopy when packing into the free-bag, to ensure the best position for compressing the spring and pilot chute, etc. edit to add: AC 105-2c, Para 11A (thanks Mark, I knew I overlooked something)So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
