pilotdave 0 #26 February 23, 2006 I'd love to hear more about the PAC 750. It sounds perfect for my DZ from a business perspective, but I really don't know much about it from a jumpers perspective. I know it climbs fast, but what else do jumpers like about it that has you prefering it over a super otter? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianfry713 0 #27 February 23, 2006 Lots of exit handles, medium size door, low to normal exit speed, it looks cool, short takeoff, seems like it handles well, lots of fun overall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #28 February 23, 2006 We have one. The only real advantage over an Otter is that it's a hell of a lot cheaper to operate. The door is significantly smaller than an Otter, and a bit smaller than a Caravan, which means you may need to reengineer your 4-way exits. Our IC could launch from her feet in the Otter/Caravan, and needed to go to one knee for the 750XL. The tail is low - wingsuiters can hit it if they're not careful. It's in a very similar position to a Caravan. Maybe a tad lower? It's prone to stalling if you put too many outside, so jump-run is pretty fast when doing 8-way. The newer planes have modifications to move the CofG forward and make stalling less of a issue. Nice bars outside. There's two steps outside, one of which is a long way down. Our TMs really like it. There's great visibility, so the ride to height is pretty. Edit: if there was no difference in cost of operation, I'd take a Super Otter any day of the week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #29 February 23, 2006 QuoteBeech 99 More Beech 99s!!!!!!!! That's what we fly now and I really love it. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #30 February 23, 2006 Quote Show me a 3 that can float ten. I have not seen one that can float that many. I can show you a D-18....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #31 February 23, 2006 I love Skyvans and have many wonderful memories of DC-3's. But if I had to pick one airplane for life, it would be the Twin Otter, no question about it. The one thing that scares the hell out of me about a Skyvan is how do you get that ramp open for a quick emergency exit ? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #32 February 23, 2006 C130H Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #33 February 24, 2006 QuoteThe one thing that scares the hell out of me about a Skyvan is how do you get that ramp open for a quick emergency exit ? How does the ramp open on the boxes you're familiar with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #34 February 24, 2006 I would have to say PAC, caravan or cresco. I'm not super keen on having 20+ people in the air with me at the same time. I don't trust people. I prefer no more than 15 or so... Crescos are tight, but I love the exits, caravans are roomy.. But I think that if I could only jump one airplane the rest of my life... it would be a 182!! -Karen "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tyrion 0 #35 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuote Show me a 3 that can float ten. I have not seen one that can float that many. I can show you a D-18.... Is that photoshopped? With the guy on the prop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Opie 0 #36 February 24, 2006 Mullin's King Air, or I could settle for a nice super otter if I have to! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFKING 4 #37 February 24, 2006 QuoteI can show you a D-18.... "Somebody hand me a 9/16" socket wrench." Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #38 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Show me a 3 that can float ten. I have not seen one that can float that many. I can show you a D-18.... Is that photoshopped? With the guy on the prop? No photoshop. Old guys way back when...My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites thegreekone 0 #39 February 24, 2006 I can show you a D-18.... I got pinned out of a beech 18! *sniffle* "excuse me" *looks down and runs away before anybody notices i'm laughin* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #28 February 23, 2006 We have one. The only real advantage over an Otter is that it's a hell of a lot cheaper to operate. The door is significantly smaller than an Otter, and a bit smaller than a Caravan, which means you may need to reengineer your 4-way exits. Our IC could launch from her feet in the Otter/Caravan, and needed to go to one knee for the 750XL. The tail is low - wingsuiters can hit it if they're not careful. It's in a very similar position to a Caravan. Maybe a tad lower? It's prone to stalling if you put too many outside, so jump-run is pretty fast when doing 8-way. The newer planes have modifications to move the CofG forward and make stalling less of a issue. Nice bars outside. There's two steps outside, one of which is a long way down. Our TMs really like it. There's great visibility, so the ride to height is pretty. Edit: if there was no difference in cost of operation, I'd take a Super Otter any day of the week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #29 February 23, 2006 QuoteBeech 99 More Beech 99s!!!!!!!! That's what we fly now and I really love it. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #30 February 23, 2006 Quote Show me a 3 that can float ten. I have not seen one that can float that many. I can show you a D-18....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #31 February 23, 2006 I love Skyvans and have many wonderful memories of DC-3's. But if I had to pick one airplane for life, it would be the Twin Otter, no question about it. The one thing that scares the hell out of me about a Skyvan is how do you get that ramp open for a quick emergency exit ? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #33 February 24, 2006 QuoteThe one thing that scares the hell out of me about a Skyvan is how do you get that ramp open for a quick emergency exit ? How does the ramp open on the boxes you're familiar with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #34 February 24, 2006 I would have to say PAC, caravan or cresco. I'm not super keen on having 20+ people in the air with me at the same time. I don't trust people. I prefer no more than 15 or so... Crescos are tight, but I love the exits, caravans are roomy.. But I think that if I could only jump one airplane the rest of my life... it would be a 182!! -Karen "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrion 0 #35 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuote Show me a 3 that can float ten. I have not seen one that can float that many. I can show you a D-18.... Is that photoshopped? With the guy on the prop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #36 February 24, 2006 Mullin's King Air, or I could settle for a nice super otter if I have to! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #37 February 24, 2006 QuoteI can show you a D-18.... "Somebody hand me a 9/16" socket wrench." Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #38 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Show me a 3 that can float ten. I have not seen one that can float that many. I can show you a D-18.... Is that photoshopped? With the guy on the prop? No photoshop. Old guys way back when...My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegreekone 0 #39 February 24, 2006 I can show you a D-18.... I got pinned out of a beech 18! *sniffle* "excuse me" *looks down and runs away before anybody notices i'm laughin* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #40 February 24, 2006 KingAir for comfort and climbing speed. Otter is definitely best for those competing, but I'm not at this time, and I find a full load climbing at 800ft/min in the hot summer to be a bit uncomfortable. And it's a bit harder to get the number of jumpers to turn it. Pac is like the KA, but with the low ceilings! Is that where most of the fuel savings came from?! I'm surprised at the Skyvan votes - my one jump will hopefully be the last. Or I need to bring good earplugs. That flight hurt a lot. (I do love flying the CASA once a year at the American boogie) To do a single scenic jump, 206U with the huge window door. Great view for a long long flight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #41 February 24, 2006 QuoteKingAir for comfort and climbing speed. I've never jumped one, but looking at the door, I don't think I'd ever want to do 4-way out of one. QuoteOtter ... it's a bit harder to get the number of jumpers to turn it. Yep, and the fact that two engines make it more expensive to run. QuotePac is like the KA, but with the low ceilings! Is that where most of the fuel savings came from?! Half the number of engines mate. PAC = 1x PT6-34. Super Otter = 2x PT6-34. Mullins KA = 2x PT6-34 (I think). QuoteI'm surprised at the Skyvan votes - my one jump will hopefully be the last. Or I need to bring good earplugs. That flight hurt a lot. Sitting near the door is much quieter than sitting near the pilot. But yeah, when Garretts are involved, earplugs are a good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #42 February 24, 2006 Utility Aircraft, PAC's USA distributor, publish some cost comparisions. No idea if they're accurate, but they're definitely impressive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #43 February 24, 2006 Any plane Opie's in! I like the C-130 idea someone had! I also like the sweet spot on the Skyvan. SDC's Super Otters are awfully nice, too.....There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #44 February 24, 2006 Quote I've never jumped one, but looking at the door, I don't think I'd ever want to do 4-way out of one. Its possible to launch a 4-way but it isn't easy and the only one I've ever launched is a round and the guy inside needs to be a contortionist during the launch to prevent being broken in half by getting caught in the door... They are great for freeflying... (or so I'm told.) The beech 99 at Skydive monroe is faster then most otters I've been on and they have a big door... which is great for launching 4-ways... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #45 February 24, 2006 QuoteAny plane Opie's in! I like the C-130 idea someone had! I also like the sweet spot on the Skyvan. SDC's Super Otters are awfully nice, too..... Thank You!!! C130's are the best....imagine the fun you could have!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #46 February 24, 2006 I like C-130s... they're very eclectic aircraft... of course that makes the maitenance on them quite a challenge... but also fun in a way... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #47 February 24, 2006 I have heard about a plane that you can jump from that you actually go out through the bomb bay doors like a little missle-When I am ready for that I would love that! I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #48 February 24, 2006 That's a Pilatus Porter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gofast_ER 0 #49 February 24, 2006 Quote I'm not super keen on having 20+ people in the air with me at the same time. I don't trust people. I prefer no more than 15 or so... -Karen who says the whole load has to jump in one group? Thats five 4waysI may not agree with what you have to say but i'll defend to the death your right to say it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jloirsdaan 0 #50 February 24, 2006 Until recently my answer would have been a Otter. But after jumping SD Delands PAC....I'll have to go with a PAC 750!! Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
