JohnMitchell 16 #51 February 24, 2006 More tailgate the better, but nothing wrong with a Twin Otter or Caravan por la vida. As long as I have a turbine, I'm happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpinfarmer 0 #52 February 24, 2006 I'm not a real tailgate fan. I would say in my limited experiance I like Otters best. I do like Porters though as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JUDYJ 0 #53 February 24, 2006 Maybe b/c they used to scare me to death.. but now after Eloy at Christmas.. I love them... so much room to play there at the door! IF you are going to be Stupid - you better be tough! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #54 February 24, 2006 I really love the Skyvans and Casas when I go a boogieing.. but Our Otter is SOOOOOO nice... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #55 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe one thing that scares the hell out of me about a Skyvan is how do you get that ramp open for a quick emergency exit ? How does the ramp open on the boxes you're familiar with? Just fine, thank you. I'm referring to the stress factor of an unstable ship that the pilot may be fighting to control at a low altitude (above 1 grand, but considerably lower than anything desirable). Also concerned about people crowding the rear and the fact that Skyvans are as susceptble to COG problems as Lodestalls. Really not the same as a roll up Otter door in the same world of shit, now is it ? Know what, I'm going to back down from being a bristling combative s.o.b. (I'm posting loaded again). It's a safety concern that I really haven't seen adequately addressed - and a GREAT topic for Safety Day at dropzones that have Skyvans. I think most people have their emergency plans for an Otter or similar type plane thought out and on most of these planes, a plexiglass rollup door is comparatively easy to operate, even under emergency conditions. But I've opened just enough Skyvan ramps to know that the mothers are just heavy enough that under stress and stability problems we SHOULD expect in an emergency, it could be a real problem. And most younger jumpers have no idea what a Lodestar/Lodestall even is, let alone the problems we've had with them, the lives that have been lost, or that Skyvans share the same basic problem with a much trickier exit mechanism. I would really like to hear A LOT more about emergency procedures for Skyvans. Because I really trtuly do love jumping out of them. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yarpos 4 #56 February 24, 2006 10 floaters out of a DC3? any 3 with a cargo door is fine for that. I had never seen a DC3 with the standard small door till I went to the US to jump (olden days)....would be quite a feat out of one of those.....the D18 pic is scary...I never liked those things even when everything was going right.....the source of 3 out of 4 of my bad aircraft related experiences. take care, Steveregards, Steve the older I get...the better I was Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dontbounce 0 #57 February 24, 2006 Boeing 757 Jetliner. Sip some coffee and munch Sushi in the extra soft Lazy-Boy, kick it up to 700mph & drop me off at 18,000.. If only I had won that $350,000,000 powerball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #58 February 24, 2006 Pretty even split between a PAC and Grand Caravan..... I think the PAC takes it.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #59 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteKingAir for comfort and climbing speed. I've never jumped one, but looking at the door, I don't think I'd ever want to do 4-way out of one. It's narrow, and for the planes that don't have pegs on the outside (Hollister), probably would be hard to get the 3 guys on the outside. One huge gain for the guy on the inside (often me) is that the fuselage is curving towards the center, so there is more head clearance even while you're still on the inside. Being used to it, visiting an otter is a tad annoying on the first load or two. Real fun was trying to do an 11 person (basically the load) speed star out of one. Not nearly as smooth as an otter with the right bench holded up. Hilarious if you're not going for time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #60 February 24, 2006 QuoteThat's a Pilatus Porter. A porter w/Bombay doors? WTF? what the yuppie air force? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites monkycndo 0 #61 February 24, 2006 Hollister's KA has two pegs, just no continuous bar. Reaching for front float the first time at the speed she flies will get your attention. Launching a RW 4 way isn't bad.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #62 February 24, 2006 actually the best aircraft in the world to use for jumps would be the C17 Globemaster if you have a runway sturdy enough and the cash for purchase and maintenance...I am positive you could scrounge up pilots and crew C-17s have set 33 world records – more than any other airlifter in history – including payload to altitude, time-to-climb, and short-takeoff-and-landing marks in which the C-17 took off in less than 1,400 feet,carried a payload of 44,000 pounds to altitude, and landed in less than 1,400 feet. These records were set during flight-testing at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. , in 2001. http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/c17/c17spec.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #63 February 24, 2006 Quote Show me a 3 that can float ten. I have not seen one that can float that many. Here's a pic with quite a bit more than ten! OK, so maybe you wouldn't want to always do big way exits with a rope ladder hanging down from the door, and another rope going aft...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #64 February 24, 2006 I'd like to post that pic to our dz webpage. Do you have a photo credit for it, please?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hambone 0 #65 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuote I've never jumped one, but looking at the door, I don't think I'd ever want to do 4-way out of one. Its possible to launch a 4-way but it isn't easy and the only one I've ever launched is a round and the guy inside needs to be a contortionist during the launch to prevent being broken in half by getting caught in the door... They are great for freeflying... (or so I'm told.) The beech 99 at Skydive monroe is faster then most otters I've been on and they have a big door... which is great for launching 4-ways... My Girlfriend was on the tech 4-way team and they trained out of a King Air and an Otter, Doing 4-way out of a King Air isn't really any harder than doing it out of an otter, but i guess its what your used to, out of the king air everything is just a bit more compressed. But really its worth it when you are to Alti in 7 min. I LOVE THAT PLANE...Yeah...You need to grow up. -Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bch7773 0 #66 February 24, 2006 any plane full time? I'd say CASA. quieter then a skyvan, a nice tailgate you don't have to struggle to open, and did someone say high speed passes? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jasonRose 0 #67 February 24, 2006 So far it would seem the otter is the best all around DZ aircraft. My personal faviorite aircradt for jumping. A bunch of the aircraft mentioned (Pac 750, Casa....) I havent jumped yet but I think this summer I will have to travel and try those aircraft out..Blue ones!! Some day I will have the best staff in the world!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #68 February 24, 2006 Found new data by running a sim: C17 makes a nice jump run AIRSPEED, with Ramp Down: 95kts POWER SETTING: 30% FLAPS: FULL ALTITUDE: 13.5k TIME TO CLIMB:3:24@100%Power www.aviationexplorer.com/boeing_c-17_flight_footage.htm COST OF ONE C17 GLOBEMASTER:202.3 million HAPPINESS OF EVERY JUMPER WHO EXITS IT: PRICELESS!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
jumpinfarmer 0 #52 February 24, 2006 I'm not a real tailgate fan. I would say in my limited experiance I like Otters best. I do like Porters though as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JUDYJ 0 #53 February 24, 2006 Maybe b/c they used to scare me to death.. but now after Eloy at Christmas.. I love them... so much room to play there at the door! IF you are going to be Stupid - you better be tough! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #54 February 24, 2006 I really love the Skyvans and Casas when I go a boogieing.. but Our Otter is SOOOOOO nice... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #55 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe one thing that scares the hell out of me about a Skyvan is how do you get that ramp open for a quick emergency exit ? How does the ramp open on the boxes you're familiar with? Just fine, thank you. I'm referring to the stress factor of an unstable ship that the pilot may be fighting to control at a low altitude (above 1 grand, but considerably lower than anything desirable). Also concerned about people crowding the rear and the fact that Skyvans are as susceptble to COG problems as Lodestalls. Really not the same as a roll up Otter door in the same world of shit, now is it ? Know what, I'm going to back down from being a bristling combative s.o.b. (I'm posting loaded again). It's a safety concern that I really haven't seen adequately addressed - and a GREAT topic for Safety Day at dropzones that have Skyvans. I think most people have their emergency plans for an Otter or similar type plane thought out and on most of these planes, a plexiglass rollup door is comparatively easy to operate, even under emergency conditions. But I've opened just enough Skyvan ramps to know that the mothers are just heavy enough that under stress and stability problems we SHOULD expect in an emergency, it could be a real problem. And most younger jumpers have no idea what a Lodestar/Lodestall even is, let alone the problems we've had with them, the lives that have been lost, or that Skyvans share the same basic problem with a much trickier exit mechanism. I would really like to hear A LOT more about emergency procedures for Skyvans. Because I really trtuly do love jumping out of them. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarpos 4 #56 February 24, 2006 10 floaters out of a DC3? any 3 with a cargo door is fine for that. I had never seen a DC3 with the standard small door till I went to the US to jump (olden days)....would be quite a feat out of one of those.....the D18 pic is scary...I never liked those things even when everything was going right.....the source of 3 out of 4 of my bad aircraft related experiences. take care, Steveregards, Steve the older I get...the better I was Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontbounce 0 #57 February 24, 2006 Boeing 757 Jetliner. Sip some coffee and munch Sushi in the extra soft Lazy-Boy, kick it up to 700mph & drop me off at 18,000.. If only I had won that $350,000,000 powerball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #58 February 24, 2006 Pretty even split between a PAC and Grand Caravan..... I think the PAC takes it.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #59 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteKingAir for comfort and climbing speed. I've never jumped one, but looking at the door, I don't think I'd ever want to do 4-way out of one. It's narrow, and for the planes that don't have pegs on the outside (Hollister), probably would be hard to get the 3 guys on the outside. One huge gain for the guy on the inside (often me) is that the fuselage is curving towards the center, so there is more head clearance even while you're still on the inside. Being used to it, visiting an otter is a tad annoying on the first load or two. Real fun was trying to do an 11 person (basically the load) speed star out of one. Not nearly as smooth as an otter with the right bench holded up. Hilarious if you're not going for time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #60 February 24, 2006 QuoteThat's a Pilatus Porter. A porter w/Bombay doors? WTF? what the yuppie air force? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #61 February 24, 2006 Hollister's KA has two pegs, just no continuous bar. Reaching for front float the first time at the speed she flies will get your attention. Launching a RW 4 way isn't bad.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #62 February 24, 2006 actually the best aircraft in the world to use for jumps would be the C17 Globemaster if you have a runway sturdy enough and the cash for purchase and maintenance...I am positive you could scrounge up pilots and crew C-17s have set 33 world records – more than any other airlifter in history – including payload to altitude, time-to-climb, and short-takeoff-and-landing marks in which the C-17 took off in less than 1,400 feet,carried a payload of 44,000 pounds to altitude, and landed in less than 1,400 feet. These records were set during flight-testing at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. , in 2001. http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/c17/c17spec.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #63 February 24, 2006 Quote Show me a 3 that can float ten. I have not seen one that can float that many. Here's a pic with quite a bit more than ten! OK, so maybe you wouldn't want to always do big way exits with a rope ladder hanging down from the door, and another rope going aft...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #64 February 24, 2006 I'd like to post that pic to our dz webpage. Do you have a photo credit for it, please?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hambone 0 #65 February 24, 2006 QuoteQuote I've never jumped one, but looking at the door, I don't think I'd ever want to do 4-way out of one. Its possible to launch a 4-way but it isn't easy and the only one I've ever launched is a round and the guy inside needs to be a contortionist during the launch to prevent being broken in half by getting caught in the door... They are great for freeflying... (or so I'm told.) The beech 99 at Skydive monroe is faster then most otters I've been on and they have a big door... which is great for launching 4-ways... My Girlfriend was on the tech 4-way team and they trained out of a King Air and an Otter, Doing 4-way out of a King Air isn't really any harder than doing it out of an otter, but i guess its what your used to, out of the king air everything is just a bit more compressed. But really its worth it when you are to Alti in 7 min. I LOVE THAT PLANE...Yeah...You need to grow up. -Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #66 February 24, 2006 any plane full time? I'd say CASA. quieter then a skyvan, a nice tailgate you don't have to struggle to open, and did someone say high speed passes? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonRose 0 #67 February 24, 2006 So far it would seem the otter is the best all around DZ aircraft. My personal faviorite aircradt for jumping. A bunch of the aircraft mentioned (Pac 750, Casa....) I havent jumped yet but I think this summer I will have to travel and try those aircraft out..Blue ones!! Some day I will have the best staff in the world!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #68 February 24, 2006 Found new data by running a sim: C17 makes a nice jump run AIRSPEED, with Ramp Down: 95kts POWER SETTING: 30% FLAPS: FULL ALTITUDE: 13.5k TIME TO CLIMB:3:24@100%Power www.aviationexplorer.com/boeing_c-17_flight_footage.htm COST OF ONE C17 GLOBEMASTER:202.3 million HAPPINESS OF EVERY JUMPER WHO EXITS IT: PRICELESS!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
