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whats the purpose? he probally posted it to show other why itisnt smart to do it...

Maybe. My take on it was that it was a little more of a "wink-wink-don't try this at home, kids" kind of attitude.

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I know I am a newbie and all, but how is this different from BASE? I seen movies where they track all the way down a mountain or do flips more then half way while jumping off a building.

I know the spot was f**ked.

Sorry for the dumb questions...

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different gear for different purposes

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[jtval 0]

that and USPA states the hard deck is 2000.( if you wanna go by the book )

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nice smily in ur sig... do you have 3 nipples or is that a photoshop job?

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ask around. someone is sure to know the answer to that

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.. he probally posted it to show others why it isnt smart to do it...

I think so too.

Except for the fact that he posted it with this comment:

"This was not really a good idea....but it was fun!"

Posting it so that others can learn from it is one thing. Posting it because you think it was fun and you are trying to be cool, is quite another.

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what I dont get is WHO did the editing? in the vid it says YES I PULLED FROM A SIT but the video was in a HD turning over etc.

so was the video guy the editor? if so why did it say he pulled from a sit?

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[Scoop 0]

Scary stuff...

We all do stupid things, its what makes us human. Im sure in hindsight it was thought of as maybe a little bit silly (as commentary suggests) but dont tell me youve never been caught up in a moment of madness which looking back on it was cringe worthy or dangerous.

Give the guy a break

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I know I am a newbie and all, but how is this different from BASE? I seen movies where they track all the way down a mountain or do flips more then half way while jumping off a building.

I know the spot was f**ked.

Sorry for the dumb questions...

It is different from a BASE jump because they exited from an aircraft. USPA states that minimum container opening altitude is 2000 feet. Base jumpers are not goverened by the USPA (or anyone for that matter) Base gear is completely different and is specifically made and packed to open quicker than a typical sport parachute system. Not a dumb question, you don't know unless you ask.

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Next question, if the guy had BASE gear, would people still have a problem with it?

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Yes.

He exited an aircraft. The rules of skydiving apply. You cannot exit an aircraft with a BASE rig on. You must have a dual parachute system and must open know lower than 2,000 feet AGL.

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this is my opinion, not a specific response.

so i agree that this is dangerous. but, what will anyone, the USPA specifically, do? do they have any right to yank a membership, which would possibly deny him from jumping at USPA DZs?

part of the reason i admire base jumpers is becuase they are goverened by only one entity, themselves. i admire the "barn storming" attitude. but what about the USPA, what about the so called rules...what happens if people dont follow them...is there any recourse? just curious.

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ya know some base rigs have dual parachutes.
( i know that 2000ft agl rule but some are going to end up with two parachutes.)

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law suits are basically the only REAL recourse. sure USPA has the right to ban anyone but I seriously doubt the have a team of suits going around looking for the outlaws that require them to yank ratings/licenses etc.


its the lawsuits that will bring the attn of the USPA and usually by that time yanking a licenses won't make a difference.

there is also a rule against throwing something out of a plane that will cause damage or injury to anyone on the ground. what happens if someone goes through somenone's house?...a lawsuit

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The only thing more stupid than pulling at a grand is pulling out a f*cking Spectre at a grand.

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so thats what i mean, the USPA seems to be only a "suggestive" governing entity. dont get me wrong, i like the USPA, and follow the guidelines. so, even though we all think this is wrong, besides running the risk of landing on someones house, can we really accuse him of doing anything wrong...i mean, if there are no real rules that mean anything and no real recourse.

yes, i do think this was wrong. at least, wrong to post the video.

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I have to admit in the beginning of my jumping I lost alt. awarness and pulled at 1500 ft. in the saddle around 1,000 scared the shit out of me when I realized what I did. Got a REAL good talkin to by DZO and alot of other jumpers never lost that awareness again NO brgging here just felt STUPID and LUCKY BRYan

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so thats what i mean, the USPA seems to be only a "suggestive" governing entity. dont get me wrong, i like the USPA, and follow the guidelines. so, even though we all think this is wrong, besides running the risk of landing on someones house, can we really accuse him of doing anything wrong...i mean, if there are no real rules that mean anything and no real recourse.

Wow.

The whole point of the USPA is that skydiving is a mostly self-governed sport and we want it to stay that way. The FAA has only a handful of rules regarding skydiving, and we want it to stay that way.

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If they exited at 3,500 and pulled at around 1K, they weren't subterminal, especially doing freefly.

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Can you explain the "especially doing freefly" part?

Wouldn't freeflying make the terminal velocity of a jumper higher, hence making them stay subterminal for longer, not shorter, than a flat jumper?

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so thats what i mean, the USPA seems to be only a "suggestive" governing entity. dont get me wrong, i like the USPA, and follow the guidelines. so, even though we all think this is wrong, besides running the risk of landing on someones house, can we really accuse him of doing anything wrong...i mean, if there are no real rules that mean anything and no real recourse.

Wow.

The whole point of the USPA is that skydiving is a mostly self-governed sport and we want it to stay that way. The FAA has only a handful of rules regarding skydiving, and we want it to stay that way.

so do i. i WANT it to stay self goverened. that is exactley the point, every one has a right to self govern thier own jumping practices. if someone wants to pull low, then, by our own disire for self government, it is 100% thier choice. and, by that standard, do we have the right to bash them and tell them they are wrong. it is a fine line here. know what i mean? i guess what i am trying to say, is that it is 100% your own opinion if this was a right or wrong jump, and that there are no "rules" broken.

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If they exited at 3,500 and pulled at around 1K, they weren't subterminal, especially doing freefly.

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Can you explain the "especially doing freefly" part?

Wouldn't freeflying make the terminal velocity of a jumper higher, hence making them stay subterminal for longer, not shorter, than a flat jumper?

You're right . I hadn't thought about it that way. I was thinking of it more as "freeflyer is moving faster therefore will get to 120ish MPH sooner" (there's my mostly-belly-flyer bias creeping in), vs using "terminal" in the correct way, as the maximum velocity of the jumper. Mea culpa.

However, my larger point was that it wasn't a "subterminal" deployment in the way that I usually think of them on a hop & pop. And, if he was actually in the air from 3,500 to about 1,000, I would assume that he hit terminal prior to deployment.

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so do i. i WANT it to stay self goverened. that is exactley the point, every one has a right to self govern thier own jumping practices. if someone wants to pull low, then, by our own disire for self government, it is 100% thier choice. and, by that standard, do we have the right to bash them and tell them they are wrong. it is a fine line here. know what i mean? i guess what i am trying to say, is that it is 100% your own opinion if this was a right or wrong jump, and that there are no "rules" broken.

The best way for a group to stay self-governed in this country is to make responsible decisions that keep individuals and the group as a whole below the radar of law makers. Out of sight, out of mind. The government has this way of gravitating towards people/groups/industries that don't appear to be taking care of themselves, and imposing oversight.

The USPA sets up guidelines intended to promote responsible decision making.

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no, I don't neccessarily think its wrong. I think its stupid.

especially with the body positions I could only imagine they were in. I'm sure youve heard of the CHAIN-OF-EVENTS. thats just one more thing to weaken the link.

I would say 2 more seconds and they were road pizza. they knew it, and we know it. I'm not saying that they should be hung and disemboweled but if they didnt get a slap in the back of the head the DZO was way too lenient on them.

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In the US, skydivers are governed by themselves, through the USPA. This self-regulation is recognized by the FAA. Sure, it's optional. But if more skydivers chose not to follow the USPA's guidelines, the FAA may choose to step in and make our BSRs into FARs. There's nothing stopping them from doing that now, other than the lack of a need to do it, since it would cost a whole lot of money.

Imagine if the BSRs were FARs, and skydiving licenses were handed out by the FAA. You could lose your licesne or have it suspended for dumb shit like pulling low. We're very lucky right now that the consequences for our mistakes that don't physically hurt us is pretty minimal. Let's try to keep it that way.

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