Stay the fuck away from heroin.

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Just got a call on my way home from work informing me that a friend of mine had overdosed and died the day after christmas. He was clean for quite a while and his mom thinks he might have went back because he was depressed about his father dying around christmas a few years ago.

Also, I'm going to have to agree with the "fuck the holidays" thread, as this is the second wake I've attended for someone close to me in 2 weeks.

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i'm sorry for your lose.

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

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Sorry to hear that... its always quite a blow when a loved one dies.

Never touched it and don't think I ever will. Thanks for the reminder.

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Just got a call on my way home from work informing me that a friend of mine had overdosed and died the day after christmas. He was clean for quite a while and his mom thinks he might have went back because he was depressed about his father dying around christmas a few years ago.

Also, I'm going to have to agree with the "fuck the holidays" thread, as this is the second wake I've attended for someone close to me in 2 weeks.

Indeed an evil drug. Lots of ODs occured after someone was clean for sometime, then went shooting up the same amount they used to while at the peak of dependence. Heroin addiction is never curable, even when someone is clean for years. I've lost a couple of friends to it, and wouldn't be surprised if I lose a couple more sooner or later.
Stay off the smack, as you'll never be able to kick the habit...
Sorry for your loss.

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""Indeed an evil drug. Lots of ODs occured after someone was clean for sometime, then went shooting up the same amount they used to while at the peak of dependence. Heroin addiction is never curable, even when someone is clean for years. I've lost a couple of friends to it, and wouldn't be surprised if I lose a couple more sooner or later.
Stay off the smack, as you'll never be able to kick the habit...
Sorry for your loss. ""

This same thing happened to my 21 year old nephew after being clean for a year or so. He met an old girlfriend, she had also been clean for a year, and they both shot up, probably at their old dose, and both were found dead in their room on Easter Sunday. Neither were suicidal or depressed, so we don't think it was an intentional suicide pact. Nasty nasty drug, althougn methamphetmine is probably worse in my experience.

Sorry for your loss.

Ed

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[mccurley 1]

So many bright lights have been snuffed out by this drug and others. Each one a son, daughter, loved one to someone.
I've lost a couple of friends over the years as well and offer my sympathy.

And yet people cry for forgiveness and clemency for the likes of the pushers who get caught and exicuted in places like Singapore. People who sell the stuff to our bright lights for no other purpose then money.

I am not suporting the death penalty, mearly pondering were some peoples sympathies lay.

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So many bright lights have been snuffed out by this drug and others. Each one a son, daughter, loved one to someone.
I've lost a couple of friends over the years as well and offer my sympathy.

And yet people cry for forgiveness and clemency for the likes of the pushers who get caught and exicuted in places like Singapore. People who sell the stuff to our bright lights for no other purpose then money.

I am not suporting the death penalty, mearly pondering were some peoples sympathies lay.

Relatively speaking, heroin isn't so bad for it's users. It's actually pretty insignificant to society as a whole.

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Relatively speaking, heroin isn't so bad for it's users. It's actually pretty insignificant to society as a whole.

It is one of the safest drugs for your body. My uncle is a big drug guy, works for a drug company, Eli Lilly. He swears to me its the one of the safest street drugs out there, X being the worst for you as it can actually alter your dna (this is not my opinion, it's just what he has told me they have found through their studies- take it however you see fit).

Never done heroin, never will. It has taken so many and ruined the lives of countless others- those who are addicted and those who love them.

My heart goes out to all who have lost this holiday season. It's been a rough year, I thought it might end on a better note but sadly it doesn't look that way

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that statistic is pretty silly... since there are many more people who use tobacco than use heroin. If you classify them all as drug users, then of course tobacco will come out worse.. Deaths per 100.000 user of [substance] would make sense.

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that statistic is pretty silly... since there are many more people who use tobacco than use heroin. If you classify them all as drug users, then of course tobacco will come out worse.. Deaths per 100.000 user of [substance] would make sense.

The first link was death per 100,000 users. The second link was total annual deaths. Both are good data, but offer different information.

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It's actually pretty insignificant to society as a whole

HOWEVER it is NOT insignificant to the poster who recently went through this very type of death... and no insignificant to me, Im part of fucking society, damn fucking statistics for everything these days...

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It's actually pretty insignificant to society as a whole

HOWEVER it is NOT insignificant to the poster who recently went through this very type of death... and no insignificant to me, Im part of fucking society, damn fucking statistics for everything these days...

It's hard to imagine any way of dying that is not going to affect friends and family left behind. I've lost count of all the friends I've lost this year alone. I mean no disrespect to those who have lost friends and loved ones.

BTW I'm not advocating heroin use, either. I just don't see illegal drugs as a menace to society. There are more imortant problems to be dealt with.

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Dying or being murdered because of illigal substance is SIGNIFICANT... regardless if it is on a small scale , theres still a scale

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Man sorry for the loss i had issues with the shit in the past bad news. GOD SPEED.

tim

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Stay off the smack, as you'll never be able to kick the habit... ***

I kicked it so it can be done it was not easy but i have allot fo friend who are clean from the junk too so you are wrong about your comment..

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So many bright lights have been snuffed out by this drug and others. Each one a son, daughter, loved one to someone.
I've lost a couple of friends over the years as well and offer my sympathy.

And yet people cry for forgiveness and clemency for the likes of the pushers who get caught and executed in places like Singapore. People who sell the stuff to our bright lights for no other purpose then money.

I am not supporting the death penalty, mearly pondering were some peoples sympathies lay.

No one made me do heroin and no one made any of your friends do it either every person makes a decision to do things in life, some have very grim outlooks like death. But to say it is the "pushers" that is a bunch of crap. I have never met a person who told me they were forced to try or do drugs.
People need to take responsibility for there actions and parents need to know what the hell there kids are up too and what type of people they are associating with.


Yes heroin is a very safe drug too if taken in the right mannor.

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Occasional use of "some" drugs is not that big a deal. Anytime you bring meth and heroin into the picture you are talking about a whole new ball game. These drugs are highely addictive and basically ruin peoples lives who use them. I have had my own problems with substances and I am very glad that meth and heroin were never anything I got into. Also I am glad that I never used needles.

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The difference is that those other drugs can't usually kill you in one instance. Heroin can.

Years ago I had a friend who was apparently "experimenting" with heroin.

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I feel you loss. We buried 10 people this year that I know of that where clean from 30 days to 10 years that went back out one more time.

Addiction is a disease that will forever be a minute by minute battle for most.

Most drugs won't kill you with one dose but Herion WILL.

An overdose of meth with send you into the crazy's and MIGHT kill you if you have a weak heart but it is nearly impossible to DIE from an overdose.To OD you have to do ALOT and most people never did that much when they where using

Cocaine can and will kill you if you Over Dose.To OD you have to do ALOT and most people never did that much when they where using

You really have NO Idea how much Herion it takes to OD. It might be as little as a $10 Bag or as much as a G to OD. thats what is scary about Herion.

Oh and Herion does change your DNA just like X. Herion is a Parasite that once you put it in you it tries to kill you if you stop feeding it. Most Herion Addicts are more scared of Kicking then living on the streets hustling for that next fix. It Hurts Less.

You and your Friend and their family will be in my thoughts during our moment of Silence tonight.

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So many bright lights have been snuffed out by this drug and others. Each one a son, daughter, loved one to someone.
I've lost a couple of friends over the years as well and offer my sympathy.

And yet people cry for forgiveness and clemency for the likes of the pushers who get caught and exicuted in places like Singapore. People who sell the stuff to our bright lights for no other purpose then money.

I am not suporting the death penalty, mearly pondering were some peoples sympathies lay.

I sympathize with those who have lost friends or other loved ones this way, but I cannot agree that the sellers are creating the problem. Demand by the users is what gets the users killed. If sellers made heroin and no one had an interest in buying, it would kill no one.

Being angry at the makers/sellers is misplaced.

I think of drug abuse this way:
A person stands in a kitchen and watches while another person lights a stove burner and then puts his hand on the hot burner and gets it nice and cooked. He now has the experience of having seen what the hot burner can do. He is no stranger to burns and the unpleasant, painful sensation of them. He is capable of understanding the lesson.

He understands that he has no reason to think that HE will be the one who can withstand the harm of which the burner is capable. Wisely, he opts not to do the same thing.

A person wants a thrill, and he turns and looks at drugs to get it. He does not have to look far at all to find a plethora of examples of people who thought just as he does: "Those others were weak and/or stupid. I'M gonna be fine, I'M the one who can handle this and not let it ruin me. I can control it. I alone. I'm the exception."

Why is it impossible for this person to do like he did with the stove -- accept the superior experience of others; learn the lesson without having to go through the lesson? This person instead has to figure out for himself something that was already figured out, painfully, by someone else before him, huh? Has to see for himself whether it can be done, even despite the huge number of examples that it pretty much can't. It's hubris, ego, whatever you want to call it. And unless we teach people better to accept a "learn by example" instead of "learn the hard way" we will continue to see people fall to drugs like heroin, meth, coke, etc.

I am a pretty harsh judge of people who go out and do drugs. There is not a one of them who can claim ignorance regarding the harm they are capable of doing. If someone in the same room as me put his hand on a hot stove and got burned, you'd be right to call me a fucking moron for doing the exact same thing all the while claiming that somehow I would be the one who could evade harm by it.

It's just stupid. I think that "tough love" is the best way to deal with this: Tell your friends, or family members who do drugs, "Hey, you're a fuckin' moron. You think you're able to do this without fucking yourself up, but you just watch, you'll be proven wrong. And because you should have been able to see what happened to others before you and take it as a warning, you'll deserve what you get when you get it."

If a loved one won't respond properly to that admonition, there is nothing you can do and that person is a lost cause. Can't save everyone.


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If sellers made heroin and no one had an interest in buying, it would kill no one.

If no one made it, then no one would experiment with it, then no one would become addicted and no one would die from it either. Youve never experimented with anything? Drinking or other substences?

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Being angry at the makers/sellers is misplaced.

BULLSHIT

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I think of drug abuse this way:
A person stands in a kitchen and watches while another person lights a stove burner and then puts his hand on the hot burner and gets it nice and cooked. He now has the experience of having seen what the hot burner can do. He is no stranger to burns and the unpleasant, painful sensation of them. He is capable of understanding the lesson

uh no brainaic.... its not that way.... its more like someone who is addicted to drugs, has a medical problem and or mental issues.... which is completley different then a sane, stable person putting their fucking hand on a stove.

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A person wants a thrill, and he turns and looks at drugs to get it

It starts as a thrill , but soon becomes an addiction, which most people can not fix themselves... and its idiots like you who have their fucked up theories on addictions that can sometimes create issues with those who know they have a problem but are to scared to confide to seek help.


And you know I have to just stop right there, my brother was murdered because of "tough love" so go fuck yourself and your fucked up theories and if you have no actual knowledge on drug addictions nor no empathy to those of us left behind when a member dies because of their illness then dont post... this was a thread for vibes, not one for assholes to talk about "tough love " or street justice

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Occasional use of "some" drugs is not that big a deal. Anytime you bring meth and heroin into the picture you are talking about a whole new ball game. These drugs are highely addictive and basically ruin peoples lives who use them. I have had my own problems with substances and I am very glad that meth and heroin were never anything I got into. Also I am glad that I never used needles.

I've lost friends to drugs. I've also lost them to alcohol, tobacco, car accidents, suicide, skydiving and natural causes, all in far greater numbers.

Again, I'm not recommending anyone go out and use smack. But there are far worse habits to have. 80 deaths annually per 100,000 users is less than a 1 in 1000 chance of dying from that drug.

Per 100,000 skydivers, how many will die skydiving each year? 75 - 100 seems like a realistic estimate. Doesn't that make being a skydiver as dangerous as being a heroin user? I'm not about to tell anyone not to skydive. Hell, I'll even sell them the gear, and encourage them to have fun.

We like to jump from airplanes, others enjoy chemical induced euphoria. Either activity could kill you (or me) the next time you participate, but odds are neither will.

Living life involves taking risks. Sometimes those risks are large, sometimes they are small, but it is impossible to live a risk free life. Who am I to tell someone what they should or shouldn't do with or to their own bodies for recreational enjoyment.

Considering heroin to be more dangerous than tobacco or alcohol is a lot like considering driving to be more dangerous than skydiving. You will hear it often, but that doesn't make it true. Alcohol and tobacco pose far greater threats to the health of society than do illegal drugs.

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The difference is that those other drugs can't usually kill you in one instance. Heroin can.

As can cocaine, alcohol, skydiving, driving, etc.

You're right, though, tobacco kills slowly, painfully, and expensively, instead of quickly.

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If sellers made heroin and no one had an interest in buying, it would kill no one.

If no one made it, then no one would experiment with it, then no one would become addicted and no one would die from it either. Youve never experimented with anything? Drinking or other substences?

I've indulged in alcohol now and then -- hardly what anyone could call habitually -- in part because the experience of others showed that most people can use it to enjoy it a bit and not get hooked on it or have it kill them.

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Being angry at the makers/sellers is misplaced.

BULLSHIT

Then get angry at the gun makers because people shoot other people with guns. Get angry at the knife makers because people get stabbed to death with ordinary kitchen knives. Get angry at the people who make what someone misuses or abuses rather than the people who actually misuse and abuse those things, and you'll never get anywhere. The makers are not the problem. They could make all they want and if no one abused it, there would be no problem. You can't escape that logic.

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I think of drug abuse this way:
A person stands in a kitchen and watches while another person lights a stove burner and then puts his hand on the hot burner and gets it nice and cooked. He now has the experience of having seen what the hot burner can do. He is no stranger to burns and the unpleasant, painful sensation of them. He is capable of understanding the lesson

uh no brainaic.... its not that way.... its more like someone who is addicted to drugs, has a medical problem and or mental issues.... which is completley different then a sane, stable person putting their fucking hand on a stove.

Are you actually saying that a drug addict is addicted a drug like heroin even before he has ever put the stuff into his body? That's kind of absurd.

What I am saying is that the guy can AVOID EVER being hooked on heroin by being wise enough to observe and internalize the experience of others who have been fucked up by it. This person should say to himself, "Not only is this stuff really bad for you, the 'thrill' of using it cannot possibly be worth wasting away and dying penniless over it, and I have seen countless examples of smart people getting fucked up by it so there is no reason to think that I'd be immune if I tried it. I just won't bother. I'll save myself the trouble."

It's worked for me, anyway.

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A person wants a thrill, and he turns and looks at drugs to get it

It starts as a thrill , but soon becomes an addiction, which most people can not fix themselves... and its idiots like you who have their fucked up theories on addictions that can sometimes create issues with those who know they have a problem but are to scared to confide to seek help.

I did not attack you or call you names. You obviously have a lot of pent-up emotion invested in this issue. That does not diminish, however, the validity of what I'm saying. I'm talking about NEVER STARTING, because a person can use his intelligence to steer clear of what has fucked up many others before him.

If you liked riding on a particular stretch of road on your Harley, and then someone you know ate it on that stretch because the road has deteriorated and is not ridable anymore, would you say screw it and then go ride it anyway? No, you'd say, "I guess the pleasure of it is not worth going down on that highway." Why can't drugs be the same? Are there not other non-drug things a person can do for "thrills" and enjoyment in life? Skydiving itself is not good enough? A skydiver also has to do drugs?

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And you know I have to just stop right there, my brother was murdered because of "tough love" so go fuck yourself and your fucked up theories and if you have no actual knowledge on drug addictions nor no empathy to those of us left behind when a member dies because of their illness then dont post... this was a thread for vibes, not one for assholes to talk about "tough love " or street justice

Sorry about your brother. Maybe one day you can tell me the story of how "tough love" is responsible for his murder. The tough love I'm talking about is just telling someone he's a schmuck when he's a schmuck, and letting him figure out that it's not hard to not be a schmuck.

I have plenty of knowledge of drug addiction. It's been in my family. It's affecting my very best friend even as we speak. Years of treating drugs recreationally have led to him also treating prescriptions lightly as well, as I figure it. He is now paying the price.

Fortunately for me, I have not known anyone who died over an addiction. Not anyone close to me, anyway.


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Stay off the smack, as you'll never be able to kick the habit... ***

I kicked it so it can be done it was not easy but i have allot fo friend who are clean from the junk too so you are wrong about your comment..

Congratulations. i have many friends clean as well. What I meant is that it seems to be a constant battle for them, even years after their last hit. A friend of mine OD'd last year after being clean for 12 years.
Glad you kicked it. Congratulations again.

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