hexadecimal 0 #26 December 31, 2005 Thanks guys for the condolences... and I'm sorry to hear that many of you have gone through the same thing. As for the drug use issue in general, I don't judge, as I myself experimented quite a bit when I was slightly younger. Luckily for me, though, I never touched anything extremely addictive... and the potentially addictive things I have touched, I was able to avoid after testing the waters. I'm also terrified of needles, so even the thought of trying anything like that makes me cringe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #27 December 31, 2005 QuoteDying or being murdered because of illigal substance is SIGNIFICANT... regardless if it is on a small scale , theres still a scale Dying or being killed by voluntarily participating in dangerous activities like skydiving, motorcycling, heroin use, or other personal choices are significant. Even on a small scale. The crime associated with illegal drugs is directly related to the illegality of same. The illegality means that the profits are high. When there is big money involved in criminal activity people die. The "War On Drugs" has been and continues to be as successful as the Volstead act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volstead_Act It didn't work then and it isn't working now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #28 December 31, 2005 TESTIFY! It's as useless as any ban is... be it on drugs, alcohol, guns, prostitution, abortion. Anyone who offers a BAN on something as a political/legal solution to its misuse or abuse SHOULD BE PUBLICLY HANGED. There is literally NO EXCUSE for not fully realizing and knowing that bans ALWAYS FAIL, NEVER SUCCEED, and ALWAYS BRING WITH THEM GREATER PROBLEMS THAN THE SO-CALLED "BANNED" ITEM. Any public figure who works to institute a ban is guilty of criminal malfeasance. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #29 December 31, 2005 The problem, Jeffrey, in your thinking is that people with addictions see many more people using alcohol or other substances with NO problems at all. You say you drink. So do most of us here. Some of us find, after experimenting with alcohol, that LO and BEHOLD there's a problem.... Didn't know it before ever having started drinking. Whether that means they were addicted BEFORE using the substance....heck, I don't know. But people don't not start drinking recreationally because they know of someone out there who is an alcoholic. Did you???? Surely you could have learned from the example of some poor chap who couldn't handle his liquor? Same with other drugs. People see more people partying and having a good time with these drugs than they see people having problems. So, just like with alcohol, they partake. Then....LO and BEHOLD, they find there's a problem. There they are with an addiction that they didn't know they were gonna have. It sneaks up on a person that way. Being acquainted with people who have been in this boat, I try not to be so harsh. Where I have a problem, though, is with people who "once" had a problem, and go back again. It's hard for me, personally, not to want to shake a nasty finger at that person.... Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 1 #30 December 31, 2005 You and peacefull Jeffery both make the argument involving peoples freedom of choice. I agree with this, all be it not completely No one forced me to try the plethora of drugs that I experimented with either. At fourteen I dropped acid. That was the first thing I did, This was followed by all the other shit you can possibly think of back in the closing days of the sixties. No one forced me. No one coerced me. God damn it some peole influenced my descision. Unless you are on a deserted island all by your self, or you posses a will power never seen before you were influenced by someone. At the end of the day there are a lot of people making billions of F%%%ing $ from the trade and they and the people working for them do everything they can to influence the profitable nature of thier bussiness. And we won't get started on the pricks who sell to younger and younger kids who are less likely to resist that influence or temptation put in front of them. So ya your right no one forced you or me or our dead friends to take the drugs that killed them or ruined thier lives if it didn't kill them. But lets not trivialize the damage done or minimalize the nature of the beast doing the damage.Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loonix 0 #31 January 1, 2006 QuoteQuotethat statistic is pretty silly... since there are many more people who use tobacco than use heroin. If you classify them all as drug users, then of course tobacco will come out worse.. Deaths per 100.000 user of [substance] would make sense. The first link was death per 100,000 users. The second link was total annual deaths. Both are good data, but offer different information. nope, read what i said :) its per drug user, not per user of one given drug. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #32 January 2, 2006 Quotenope, read what i said :) its per drug user, not per user of one given drug. "Deaths from drug use per 100,000 drug users" implies for every 100,000 tobacco users, x number of users die annually. For every 100,000 heroin users, y number of people die annually, etc. It is a fair comparison. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
agent_lead 0 #33 January 2, 2006 a good friend of mine died 3 years ago from a heroin overdose... such a shame cause he really was a good person with a huge heart...just had a terrible adddiction.. sorry for your loss...its a pity..-------------------------------------------- www.facebook.com/agentlead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
