Military rounds

[millertime24 8]

So I'm thinking about getting me a military type round to jump with. Problem is they are incredibly difficult to come by. Does anyone know where I can demo/buy (if I like it) one? I would only ever be using it for h&p's on relatively low wind days. And no, I am not a glutten for punishment.

Muff #5048

[airtwardo 7]

http://paragear.com/templates/parachute.asp?group=444&t2parent=337&parent=432&level=3


Order one...

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[millertime24 8]

But what'll it cost man what'll it cost? BTW, do those things have any foward drive at all?

Muff #5048

[ryoder 1,590]

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BTW, do those things have any foward drive at all?

Sure, if you happen to be facing the same direction as the wind is carrying you.

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[airtwardo 7]

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But what'll it cost man what'll it cost? BTW, do those things have any foward drive at all?

Actually . . . they have considerably more vertical drive than forward drive.

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[councilman24 37]

No, no!

This one http://paragear.com/templates/parachute.asp?group=445&t2parent=337&parent=432&level=3

It's steerable!

You need to realize that everybody older than me, and me, on here started with military surplus equipment. And yes, when modified it does have forward drive. About 5 mph air speed.

Learn to spot, learn to PLF and have fun. You can land more or less where you want them.

One option for a round to jump is a round sport reserve, like a phantom or a lopo. I have both set up on three ring risers and they go into my sport rigs.

I'm hoping my RW paracommander will go into one also.

And the accuracy disk for rounds was 10 cm.

There was one on ebay, maybe still is, that had lines and I expect was still airworthy.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[likestojump 3]

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There was one on ebay, maybe still is, that had lines and I expect was still airworthy.

a word of warning - the new method for demilling some canopies is to cut the APEX lines - so some sellers who have sold de-milled stuff for years are not up on that yet - and will advertise a C9 with "lines intact to the link" - where the suspension lines are infact good, but the apex lines are chopped.

be careful.

and I doubt a Phantom will be as soft as a T10(a) or a C9... I know I will never jump a Phantom (again :) over hard ground :)

[377 22]

Don't bother is my advice. I love nostalgic canopies and did lots of jumps under rounds back in the day. They are good for bar stories "there I was. going backwards at 20 knots..." but they are so inferior to and less safe than modern ram airs that if I were you, I'd just buy Mike Swain's video and look at the old gear rather than jumping it. If everything goes well you can have a fine fun jump on an old round, but if the winds come up or you have to do a cutaway with old Capewells things can happen. If you are going to jump a round try something better and bigger than a surplus C9 28 foot canopy. I know I may get flamed for saying ram airs are safer, but I think they are when you take ALL the factors into account. The PC is a good round to try and lets you down a lot softer than the smaller military canopies will.

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[SEREJumper 1]

I will second not trying to jump a C-9. I've got about 55 static line jumps with the C-9 through the military. It's flat design and severe oscillation (if you are not using the 4 line release modification/ or some other mod) can drive you into the ground pretty hard. 13 knots is our wind limit and even with the mod. you only have about 5-7 kts forward speed, you hit pretty hard doing a rear PLF. Definitely go the paracommander route for the vintage jumps.

I will say I am also interested in doing some vintage/retro jumps. Just get the right training prior to using the new equipment. Have fun!

We're not fucking flying airplanes are we, no we're flying a glorified kite with no power and it should be flown like one! - Stratostar

[rushmc 23]

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No, no!

This one http://paragear.com/templates/parachute.asp?group=445&t2parent=337&parent=432&level=3

It's steerable!

You need to realize that everybody older than me, and me, on here started with military surplus equipment. And yes, when modified it does have forward drive. About 5 mph air speed.

Learn to spot, learn to PLF and have fun. You can land more or less where you want them.

One option for a round to jump is a round sport reserve, like a phantom or a lopo. I have both set up on three ring risers and they go into my sport rigs.

I'm hoping my RW paracommander will go into one also.

And the accuracy disk for rounds was 10 cm.

There was one on ebay, maybe still is, that had lines and I expect was still airworthy.

So, can you tell us how tall you were when you started vs today?
You tell me I will tell you!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

Oh come on.. let them have fun.....well once they learn how to PLF properly..by the way.....never underestimate the ability to get a round a little off the wind line to set up a better PLF if the wind comes up

Heck I even had a C-9 for a reserve in a belly wart when I first started. I managed to get 2 ride on it , and one ride on a 24' military belly wart... and 2 other rides on 26' LoPo reserves.


I have plenty of vintage gear...if you want to jump a PC or a Papillion.. I have several... and I usually take a few of them to LP. Just let me know...you only have to get the reserve repacked yourself.

[SEREJumper 1]

Amazon, I migth take you up on the PC jump :) I need to work LP in this year.

I'll be in touch.

We're not fucking flying airplanes are we, no we're flying a glorified kite with no power and it should be flown like one! - Stratostar

[Skydivesg 7]

Bear in mind, you don't really "steer".

It's more like "changing the view".

Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

[popsjumper 2]

Funny you should mention that.

Jump 1: After asking a question about steering the old raggedy T10, I was told:
If you don't like what you are seeing in front of you, pull on this and look at something else.

Jump 7: So, still young, dumb and stupid, I did not like the low view I was seeing of the building with the dent that Carl Daugherty had put in the roof so I turned to view the shit pond. I came up just short (thank God) and got congratulated on the great backwards PLF right in front of the packing tables next to the PLF platform.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[sparkie 0]

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Don't bother is my advice. I love nostalgic canopies and did lots of jumps under rounds back in the day. They are good for bar stories "there I was. going backwards at 20 knots..." but they are so inferior to and less safe than modern ram airs that if I were you, I'd just buy Mike Swain's video and look at the old gear rather than jumping it. If everything goes well you can have a fine fun jump on an old round, but if the winds come up or you have to do a cutaway with old Capewells things can happen. If you are going to jump a round try something better and bigger than a surplus C9 28 foot canopy. I know I may get flamed for saying ram airs are safer, but I think they are when you take ALL the factors into account. The PC is a good round to try and lets you down a lot softer than the smaller military canopies will.

I bet ww2 would have ended sooner if the guys were dropped under velo's and were gunning down enemies while swooping it in with a nice 270.

[377 22]

Ram airs are the right canopy for commando stuff, but can you imagine a mass S/L paradrop with squares? I think there is a reason that the Airborne still uses rounds for paratroop drops.

I really like rounds, but more for the "back in the day" memories that I associate with them than for their performance.

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Beer 0]

Army/NAVY store down the road from me has a whole bunch of them, some even with harnesses. Good deal too, if you don't mind screaming in on a 18ft round.

Learn to be happy. You can't be there for anybody else in life if you can't learn to be there for yourself.

[377 22]

18 ft??? typo?

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[airtwardo 7]

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18 ft??? typo?

Cargo drops..

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[377 22]

Got it. My local surplus store has 6 foot ribbon rounds used for mine laying. Would be good for "cargo" too.

Saw some brand new "26 ft military conicals" on eBay once, really cheap. Bought one out of curiousity, turned out to be some weird modern hybrid ribbon lower part/conical upper part, reinforced with Kevlar, used to recover Navy cruise missiles for re-use after flight tests. To be fair, the seller did say that they were not suitable for jumping but I was naively expecting a NOS Navy conical. My friend calls them great ex wife canopies.

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Beer 0]

No typo. They say 18ft and the rest is Chinese or Japanese writing, I don't know the difference.

It has been a while since I looked at them, maybe the measurement was metric. It would be doable then.

Learn to be happy. You can't be there for anybody else in life if you can't learn to be there for yourself.

[airtwardo 7]

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No typo. They say 18ft and the rest is Chinese or Japanese writing, I don't know the difference.

It has been a while since I looked at them, maybe the measurement was metric. It would be doable then.

Some years back, I jumped a 15ft. 'ribbon' round that was supposed to be some kind of recovery chute for a target drone.

Attached it to the extra set of D rings on my harness, and since it wasn't steerable anyway, made a single riser attachment to the suspension lines about 25 feet long.

Direct bag deployed at 12 grand...real interesting ride, kind of a severe oscillation with an occasional spin thrown it.

Cut it away at 4.....literally with a knife, because I'd used a Shot & 1/2 attachment at the "Y" intersection from the harness to the single point riser.
There was a lot more weight tension than I'd bargained for and I just knew that big steel buckle was gonna snap me right in the chompers as it went by...so I just cut the riser above it.

The whole mess is probably still at the bottom of Otay Lake somewhere!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[councilman24 37]

Haven't paid attention to this thread for awhile.

I'm about and inch shorter than when I started. More from REAL parachtue openings instead of the streamers canopies like the Spectre do now.

But, a back guy not long ago said my spine looked really good for someone with so many jumps.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[DougH 270]

I thought the landings made your shorter, and the real whackers stretched you pack out again?

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[Beer 0]

Hey Dougie, how come you haven't posted in the "I want to be a post whore when I grow up" thread in bonfire?

I'm determined to jump a round at Danielson. I'm going to be in the trees somewhere or drift out onto the highway. 395 here I come.

Learn to be happy. You can't be there for anybody else in life if you can't learn to be there for yourself.