JohnnyZ 0 #1 June 5, 2008 So I saw the ad on the back cover on this months Parachutist and looked on their website, but I'm not really finding any real info. Anybody know how this setup works? Is it a spin-off of the Skyhook or something different? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #2 June 5, 2008 It's similar in design to the Skyhook in that it's an RSL that includes an additional lanyard connecting the RSL to the reserve pilot chute bridal. The way it attaches to the bridal is quite a bit different and is, in my humble (and admittedly non-rigger) opinion, cleaner and involves less additional parts added to the reserve container. I don't have any photos of the DRx attachment method, and don't know how best to describe it, so I'll let someone from Mirage Systems or a rigger who's had a chance to examine one chime in with further details. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canadianfella 0 #3 June 5, 2008 I haven't seen it put together, but I saw it jumped at Kamloops May Meet, the weekend before US memorial day... it was quite impressive how quickly the reserve came open! The system definately works! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antipod 0 #4 June 5, 2008 It sounds like this system is extremely close to the one invented and developped by Eric FRADET. Actually, this is an Eric FRADET's invention! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P-dro 0 #5 June 5, 2008 Eric fradet's system is now available on Basik's new container, the Seven under the name LRS. http://www.basik.fr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #6 June 5, 2008 QuoteEric fradet's system is now available on Basik's new container, the Seven under the name LRS. http://www.basik.fr No its not.Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 June 5, 2008 That clears that up!Sounds like there might be a little more misinformation coming out of Eric's camp..... ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #8 June 5, 2008 Quote That clears that up!Sounds like there might be a little more misinformation coming out of Eric's camp..... The system used by Mirage Systems is Eric's system with a big improvement compare to the old LES and the Skyhook. We just have not the time to finish the work to have it ready soon. Mainly because of the no reserve side flaps concept of the Advance and Seven systems. But we will when we could.Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CazmoDee 3 #9 June 5, 2008 Anyone know how much this system will cost to retrofit? I'd love one in my G3.I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #10 June 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteEric fradet's system is now available on Basik's new container, the Seven under the name LRS.http://www.basik.fr No its not.et PAN in the lucarne... BKR 1 P-dro 0scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P-dro 0 #11 June 6, 2008 BKR, I have misunderstood the discussion we had concerning LES. Sorry fr the mistake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #12 June 6, 2008 No problem, it is not easy to be aware of all updated infos. Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #13 June 9, 2008 Does anyone know how this system handles an RSL side only breakaway due to mis-rigging, Flip Through, or a broken riser? The SkyHook addresses this problem with the integrated Collin's Lanyard, which ensures the non-RSL side riser is cutaway as the RSL side riser leaves the container. This avoids having the reserve deploy into the main canopy that is still attached to the non-RSL side riser. How does the DRX system handle these scenarios? Mark Klingelhoefer United Parachute Technologies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,422 #14 June 10, 2008 On 2 Jun 08 under: Worrying Safety Bulletin concerning the Vigil I posted: And it is going to get much worse in this skydiving industry ( some other products ) if some recent communications I have received are any indication. If this back-stabbing doesn't end, this sport will simply go downhill. I think that the market will decide the necessity of such a device. Or one can consider the poll that JEFFREY placed here about 6 months ago asking about when was the last time anyone experienced a broken riser. Oh right, that was when he was employed by Mirage and designing the DRX System but now he works for UPT. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #15 June 10, 2008 I`m interested in how this system actually works and how it differs from the skyhook. When this post first came up I combed the mirage website but couldn't find anything about the DRX. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #16 June 10, 2008 So are you saying that broken 2a sheething from a flip through 3 ring does not happen? I personally have seen one this year. This caused a riser failure and subsequent reserve deployment. Or if a container is mis-rigged and the loop is put through 2 rings rather than one, this can cause a 2a loop failure. We have seen this also. The riser does not have to break to cause the RSL side riser to separate from the container while the other riser is still connected. I am simply saying that the UPT system addresses the issue, and was asking if the Mirage system addresses it. This discussion should not be compared to the nasty backstabbing going on in the AAD market. As a skydiver I am just wondering how their system deals with these issues if they chose not to incorporate the Collin's lanyard into their system. I know that the SkyHook incorporates it. I am also educating the skydiving world on the Collin’s Lanyard’s benefits because I am sure that not all the skydiving world understands them. Mark Klingelhoefer United Parachute Technologies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 61 #17 June 10, 2008 For the record I've seen two risers fail. both broke the tape on the third ring. Both were assimbled correctly. LeeLee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erdnarob 1 #18 June 10, 2008 I would say that the vast majority of SKYDIVERS are not aware how the Skyhook works. No wonder since the device is concealed into the reserve container and if you don't observe a rigger packing a reserve equiped with the Skyhook all you know is the name of the device and some superficial info. That's why as a rigger I asked UPT VECTOR to provide me with a Skyhook demonstrator. I was at a major DZ last weekend and made several demo with the Skyhook demonstrator to the benefit of all observers. Even riggers came and saw the demo. Seeing the Skyhook demo with its 3 functions results most of the time in being convinced and after seeing the accompanying DVD illustrating the Skyhook at work you are totally convinced. For the occurrence of the right riser breaking off, I never saw one personally but at Quincy at the WFFC a guy sitting beside me in the airplane had the 3 ring locking loop passing thru the second ring intead of the first one only (that will increase the opening force on the locking loop by a factor of 10) which can lead to a breaking of the loop then to a riser release. I told him and he asked me to reroute the locking loop properly which I did. After jumping on evening he bought me a couple of beers.Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,422 #19 June 10, 2008 Hi Mark, QuoteThis discussion should not be compared to the nasty backstabbing going on in the AAD market. I respectively disagree with you. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TaylorC 0 #20 June 11, 2008 jump either system once and you will never want to jump without one again i know i don't after my first cutaway with one. A lot of people don't understand that the skyhook and DRX are not the same as an RSL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #21 June 11, 2008 They may not be the same but they have some of the same limitations. Not for use with cameras, CRW, or other entanglement happy skydiving.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blacksha 1 #22 June 11, 2008 Not directed at who I replied to, but more or less on the same subject... My personal feeling is, I wouldn't jump anything just because a container manufacturer or otherwise came up with it... I'd have to know everything or as much as possible about both systems, and personally would like it if Mirage offered both the SkyHook and their own... I'd like to see it test jumped (video is fine), and used in the field by many before wanting it on my own rig... I believe competition is a good thing for creating new innvocations on the market, but time proven when it's your life is also important... As a software developer, and a very good one, I know how easy it is even for me to have a bug in some software I wrote...now imagine that in an AAD...not something I would want...and I know my jump numbers are small but I've had a cutaway with a regular RSL...so I think the whole "SkyHook" market is very interesting... Lonne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #23 June 11, 2008 None of which answers the question. Does the DRX system employ a Collins lanyard or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,422 #24 June 11, 2008 Hi Bill, QuoteDoes the DRX system employ a Collins lanyard or not? Probably best answered by Parachute Patents, Inc. The Collins Lanyard is a specific patent ( I have read it ). However, IMO the answer is no. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TaylorC 0 #25 June 12, 2008 http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=45396815290 Not sure if this works or not but go to 2:41 in the video and thats the DRX in action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
