Slappie 9 #1 October 25, 2005 That's right, as much as I love baseball the MLB can suck my sweaty nutsac. To much of a homefield advantage my ass! That is total crock of bullshit if I ever heard one. Minutemaid Park with the roof closed is to much of a home field advantage. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #2 October 25, 2005 I am just going to go with B sucks.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #3 October 25, 2005 College football rules! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrendelKhan 0 #4 October 25, 2005 I'm with you, screw MLB. Whats the point of having a homefield advantage if it is negated? Why not just play every game in Chicago. F them in the A. Go Astros Grendel Khan-The Official DZ.Com Newbie Forum Nuisance "They sicken of the calm, that know the storm." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #5 October 25, 2005 QuoteThat's right, as much as I love baseball the MLB can suck my sweaty nutsac. To much of a homefield advantage my ass! That is total crock of bullshit if I ever heard one. Minutemaid Park with the roof closed is to much of a home field advantage. ____________________________________ Yeah, Buddy! Astros are gonna show the Sox, how it's done! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #6 October 25, 2005 Huh? Did someone make a comment on-air or something? And if a closed stadium is too much of an advantage, wouldn't playing in the freezing cold rain be too much of an advantage for the Sox? The Astros are smart enough to know the difference Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #7 October 25, 2005 QuoteHuh? Did someone make a comment on-air or something? And if a closed stadium is too much of an advantage, wouldn't playing in the freezing cold rain be too much of an advantage for the Sox? The Astros are smart enough to know the difference Wendy W. Wendy, Major League Baseball the corporation has stepped in and decided that the Astros must play tonights game and any consecutive game (weather permiting) with the roof open. Since it's to much of a home field advantange with it closed. It gets to loud for the other teams to play when the roof is closed. The argument the rain and cold wasn't an advantage to the Sox since it effected them also. How does the crowd noise not effect the Astros at the same time? Are the teams playing in different venues at the same time? I have a feeling this is just another way for MLB to force a quick series. Their losing money because of very poor TV ratings. Only people watching is Houston fans and ChiSox fans. So anything they can do to expidite this series would save them money in the long run. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #8 October 25, 2005 During the regular season, a team with a retractable roof stadium makes the decision on whether the roof is open or closed. During the playoffs, MLB decides. Apparently MLB has told Houston they the roof open at Minute Maid park. The Astro's want it closed because their record is substantially better with it closed than open (closed roof = noisier = better home-field advantage). I can kinda see both sides of the coin, but personally would defer to the Astro's on this one. One way or another, the fans paid/are paying for the stadium and their interests should be priority one in deciding how it's configured. If the Chicago fans don't like it, they can finance a retractable (or closed) roof of their own. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #9 October 25, 2005 Quote I have a feeling this is just another way for MLB to force a quick series. Their losing money because of very poor TV ratings. Only people watching is Houston fans and ChiSox fans. So anything they can do to expidite this series would save them money in the long run. Huh? What are the massive costs MLB is being forced to carry during the WS? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #10 October 25, 2005 QuoteDuring the regular season, a team with a retractable roof stadium makes the decision on whether the roof is open or closed. During the playoffs, MLB decides. Apparently MLB has told Houston they the roof open at Minute Maid park. The Astro's want it closed because their record is substantially better with it closed than open (closed roof = noisier = better home-field advantage). So having it closed for the playoff series with the Braves & Cardinals didn't figure into the homefield advantage equation. ONLY now that it's the World Series does it come into play. Home field advantage is something you deal with in sports. You don't complain to the comish that it's unfair. Playing in Yankee stadium is unfair because the fans are assholes. I equate this to my boss coming over to my house for a BBQ then forcing me to open my windows because he wasn't comfortable eating when they're closed. I'd have to tell him to go home. It's my house and if I feel like eating with my windows closed I will. IT IS MY HOUSE! QuoteHuh? What are the massive costs MLB is being forced to carry during the WS? They're not getting the national coverage they wanted. I'm sure they've got contracts with Fox if certain things aren't met they lose money. etc.. etc.. An extended series isn't good for them since no ones watching anyways. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #11 October 25, 2005 QuoteI equate this to my boss coming over to my house for a BBQ then forcing me to open my windows because he wasn't comfortable eating when they're closed. I'd have to tell him to go home. It's my house and if I feel like eating with my windows closed I will. IT IS MY HOUSE! I agree, and saidQuoteOne way or another, the fans paid/are paying for the stadium and their interests should be priority one in deciding how it's configured. If the Chicago fans don't like it, they can finance a retractable (or closed) roof of their own. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #12 October 25, 2005 QuoteHuh? Did someone make a comment on-air or something? And if a closed stadium is too much of an advantage, wouldn't playing in the freezing cold rain be too much of an advantage for the Sox? The Astros are smart enough to know the difference Wendy W. Do the Sox control the weather the way the Astros control the roof? Did the Sox change the configuration of their field to get an advantage? Is there ANY reason to close the roof in good weather, except to disadvantage your opponents? Lots of whining coming from Texas right now.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #13 October 25, 2005 The weather will be chilly by Houston standards tonight. A lot of people would rather the roof was closed simply because of that. We're used to more heat, you're used to more cold. And if it's an unfair advantage, why wasn't it during the playoffs? And if the sox had a closed-only roof, could they still demand that Astros keep theirs open? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #14 October 25, 2005 can you say AWWWW poor baby Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #15 October 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteHuh? Did someone make a comment on-air or something? And if a closed stadium is too much of an advantage, wouldn't playing in the freezing cold rain be too much of an advantage for the Sox? The Astros are smart enough to know the difference Wendy W. Do the Sox control the weather the way the Astros control the roof? Did the Sox change the configuration of their field to get an advantage? Is there ANY reason to close the roof in good weather, except to disadvantage your opponents? Lots of whining coming from Texas right now. How are they changing the configuration? The stadium has a retractable roof. They decide to leave it closed it's a dome. Not like they're adding landmines to center field. I'm not whining I'm ranting because MLB has decided to step in and make a desicion the team has made all year long. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #16 October 25, 2005 QuoteIs there ANY reason to close the roof in good weather, except to disadvantage your opponents? The owners of the stadium want it closed? That's good enough reason for me, and I'm kind of rooting for the White Sox. Like Wendy asked, would the situation be the same if the Twins were playing in the WS instead of the White Sox? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #17 October 25, 2005 Yeah, the Metrodome can't be opened/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #18 October 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteHuh? Did someone make a comment on-air or something? And if a closed stadium is too much of an advantage, wouldn't playing in the freezing cold rain be too much of an advantage for the Sox? The Astros are smart enough to know the difference Wendy W. Do the Sox control the weather the way the Astros control the roof? Did the Sox change the configuration of their field to get an advantage? Is there ANY reason to close the roof in good weather, except to disadvantage your opponents? Lots of whining coming from Texas right now. How are they changing the configuration? The stadium has a retractable roof. They decide to leave it closed it's a dome. Not like they're adding landmines to center field. I'm not whining I'm ranting because MLB has decided to step in and make a desicion the team has made all year long. _______________________________________ I've got to agree! That's BULL-SHIT! I hadn't heard this till now but, tough shit if, the White Sox don't play in a domed stadium. They knew what was going to happen going into the Series. They would be playing in a domed stadium after the first 2-games. For MLB to say that Houston has to play with it open is ludicrous. Where is the logic? Am I missing something here? FOUL!!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrendelKhan 0 #19 October 25, 2005 landmines in centerfield? I like the idea. Talk about a great way to boost low ratings. Grendel Khan-The Official DZ.Com Newbie Forum Nuisance "They sicken of the calm, that know the storm." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #20 October 25, 2005 OK, Devil's advocate here........... If closing the dome roof could give the Astros the appearance of an unfair advantage (one totally within their control) then weather permitting, why not leave it open? Do you Astros fans really believe they can't win without distracting the competition with excess noise? Was it that big of a factor during the playoffs and do they really need that edge to win? Sounds like a big deal over nothing either way. Sox fans/ players complaining about an unfair advantage or Houston complaining that their potentially unfair advantage was taken away? On the pathetic scale, I think Houston might be winning, but its close. I *think* the MLB is trying to avoid all of it because its just plain ugly! Why not let them play and win the old fashioned way? The team that wants it the most and plays the best should come out on top, right? And the weather argument simply doesn't apply. The Sox aren't any more used to playing in crappy weather than any other team. Its not like post season play is a regular event in Chicago! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallinWoman 1 #21 October 25, 2005 I would agree with forcing them to have it in a certain configuration based on temperature or weather conditions, as long as those conditions were set forth well before the playoff started. Seeing as it is going to be chilly by Housotn's standards, the roof should be closed. The League stepping in because it is too much of a homefled advantage is crap. And I am not even cheering for Houston. ~Anne I'm a Doll!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallinWoman 1 #22 October 25, 2005 If I were Houston, I would find a way to "break" the retractable roof so that it was stuck closed for the next few days..... ~Anne I'm a Doll!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #23 October 25, 2005 QuoteIf I were Houston, I would find a way to "break" the retractable roof so that it was stuck closed for the next few days..... I've called everyone I know that could possibly have access. MLB has overstepped it's borders of control when they're dictating to team owners how to operate their facility. Seeing as it wasn't even a discussion during the playoffs. Why is it now such a huge advantage? I've got to think it has to be the White Sox complaining to MLB about the supposed advantage. No other reason MLB would be stepping in except for Fox. So they can get awesome views of downtown Houston and the stadium from the blimp or whatever they're flying around. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #24 October 25, 2005 QuoteOK, Devil's advocate here........... If closing the dome roof could give the Astros the appearance of an unfair advantage (one totally within their control) then weather permitting, why not leave it open? Do you Astros fans really believe they can't win without distracting the competition with excess noise? Was it that big of a factor during the playoffs and do they really need that edge to win? Sounds like a big deal over nothing either way. Sox fans/ players complaining about an unfair advantage or Houston complaining that their potentially unfair advantage was taken away? On the pathetic scale, I think Houston might be winning, but its close. I *think* the MLB is trying to avoid all of it because its just plain ugly! Why not let them play and win the old fashioned way? The team that wants it the most and plays the best should come out on top, right? And the weather argument simply doesn't apply. The Sox aren't any more used to playing in crappy weather than any other team. Its not like post season play is a regular event in Chicago! _________________________________ I sure do, see what you are saying. Like someone else said in this thread, this should've been decided before the Series started. For noise? The Sox, have some pretty loud fans, also. As for weather? Hell, let 'em play with the lid shut. Both teams have the same playing field, level-plum. Both teams, out of the weather. It's only 3-nights. I whole-heartedly agree with you in the respect... let 'em play the old fashioned way. I think, it boils down to MLB stickin' their nose in at the wrong time. Close the dome, let 'em play and see what happens. I guess, that's too easy. Damn! you'd think, MLB thought they were politicians or something! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #25 October 25, 2005 QuoteI have a feeling this is just another way for MLB to force a quick series. Their losing money because of very poor TV ratings. Only people watching is Houston fans and ChiSox fans. So anything they can do to expidite this series would save them money in the long run. My wife and I have watched every game. and have very much enjoyed seeing Houston loose. Not that I like the white sox...but just cause I'm tired of you whining so much. never in my life have I seen someone bitch so much about how there team is always getting the shaft. With that said...I do believe that the roof should be closed. I can't believe i actually agree with you...but i do. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
