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....No other reason MLB would be stepping in except for Fox. So they can get awesome views of downtown Houston and the stadium from the blimp or whatever they're flying around.



Nail on the head.
I think you guys know that the broadcast networks control all of this with $$$$.

-commercial timeouts
-game start time
-etc
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Glad you get some enjoyment out of my posts. Whining isn't what I'd call what I do. But whatever floats your boat and makes you smile.

IF you were a Houston fan and looked at the national media coverage from our point of view you would realise it's a pretty skewed view. Just listen to the Fox announcers tonight and how they praise the Sox for everything. .... When the Astros score it's replayed once.. the Sox score we have to relive the fucker 15 times and then 3 times before and after commercials for the next 2 innings.

Houston like normal get's no respect. Take for instance 94 - 95 Rockets win the finals. SI only did a regional cover issue for the coverage. While San Antonio wins the finals and it's a national cover. It's pretty par for the course though. So you get used to it, and learn to fight and argue for respect because you're placed as the underdogs ALL THE TIME.

Will give beating the White Sox much more meaning and satisfaction.



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Then I suppose you have a problem that the NFL instructed the Vikings to stop pumping crowd noise back thru the speakers to make for a louder crowd during home games? Yup, they used to have these monster speakers nearly 7 feet tall on the opposite ends of the stadium and when the Vikings were on Defense they would pump up the sound to dangerous decible levels.

I guess building an odd ballpark with a hill in center field, a flag pole in center field, a place where fans can snag long-balls into left field even if they can still fall into the park, a wall in left field that is a combination of wood and metal so you don't know where a typical pop-up will bounce back to as a home field advantage? Sounds to me that Houston realizes they can't win by playing so they need to use their stadium to do it for them.

The Houston fans will still be there dressed in red and cheering loud. It may not hit 176db, but maybe 135-150db instead.

The Astros do have a great advantage tonight - no DL and one of the best arms in baseball on the mound tonight. I'm sure 20db or so of crowd noise will really have that large of an impact.

You know why MLB really made this choice? Money. A blimp shot of a roof doesn't make for a fun thing to watch. A roof over the fans heads makes for one less sponsor they see up in the air.

The roof in Houston was put there due to the large amount of heat, humidity and rain you see. It wasn't there to hide away from a perfect fall night of 60-70F with light winds, and moderate humidty.

edit - posted this after reading the OP, now just reading the thread and it sounds like others said the same as me.

Also - the longer the World Series is on, the more they make in additional revenue from sport spnosors. They have the sponsors already lined up for their regular shows. This is all just gravy to them now after a full season.
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wouldn't playing in the freezing cold rain be too much of an advantage for the Sox?



I'm not sure I understand that. When Houston came to play the Cubs this summer it was damn hot. Up until a week ago the temps had not been below 65F, and was even in the mid 80s the week before. The Sox have played in the heat all summer. FYI - It doesn't get cold until this week or so year round, thefore the weather over the weekend worked against the Sox just as much as the Astros. In fact, the Sox players all complained about it.
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Is there ANY reason to close the roof in good weather, except to disadvantage your opponents?

Lots of whining coming from Texas right now.



How are they changing the configuration? The stadium has a retractable roof. They decide to leave it closed it's a dome. Not like they're adding landmines to center field.

I'm not whining I'm ranting because MLB has decided to step in and make a desicion the team has made all year long.



They had no problem having the roof open against the Cubs at the end of the season during the wild card race.

btw - why build a roof that opens if you never want to open it?

My thought? Houston, learn to play.
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Learn to play? Sad retort. I've not said anything about the Sox play. Maybe their honesty, never anything about their skills.

Dude the Astros have the skills. This whole thread has to do with MLB stepping in and forcing the team to open the roof. They never once stepped in during the season, the playoffs. In fact I've never ever heard of MLB stepping in a forcing a team to do anything to change a "homefield advantage".

Give me a break. The Astros have talent and know how to play... this isn't about talent.



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I actually think its more about ratings and advertising dollars than anything else. BUT, I also think there shouldn't be any whining in the world series. Roof open or closed, I think its a dumb argument- neither team should want or need any unfair advantage, real or perceived. It just cheapens the game. And my own personal belief is that baseball and football are both sports that were meant to be played outdoors! (Maybe I'm just jealous because my city doesn't have any domed stadiums!:P)

Enough arguing, the decision's already been made!

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never in my life have I seen someone bitch so much about how there team is always getting the shaft. .:|



Did you miss all the Cubs and Red Sox "curse" stuff from the last couple of years? Stros fans are mad because of a strange policy shift by MLB, wheras the Cubs and Sox fans spent decades crying over a "supernatural curse" when in reality they just plian sucked for 50 years.

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Learn to play? Sad retort. I've not said anything about the Sox play. Maybe their honesty


The Astros are down 2-0 and have other problems to worry about than a few decibles of crowd noise. They are a small ball team and will lose focus because of stupid issues like this. Scrappy ball takes 100% focus since every pitch counts. The Sox have been honest all series. They got a lucky call with Dye and then he HONESTLY admitted after the game it hit the bat. We also had some bad calls against us. Instead of focusing on that or other small annoying issues they go back out and play ball.....and even capitalize on the bad calls since Houston seems to lose focus at that point. Two bad pitches off two of their top pitchers had nothing to do with honesty, cheating, weather, noise, etc. This roof thing is idiocy at its best. This isn't about baseball and it has nothing to do with the game in the long run.

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They never once stepped in during the season, the playoffs. In fact I've never ever heard of MLB stepping in a forcing a team to do anything to change a "homefield advantage".


My guess is the houston fans will still have their lungs and the noise will still be there. It is still Minutemaid Park, and it is still home. The advantage is there. MLB steps in all the time on a variety of issues, and it has done it with Toronto and Milwaukee in the past.

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Give me a break. The Astros have talent and know how to play... this isn't about talent.

Maybe it should be, because a roof open or closed shouldn't really be that big of an issue. For a series that has been a lot of fun to watch, I think its sad that the majority of the talk has been about this. I'm certain that the annoying announcers will focus on this for at least 30 min tonight as well......instead of focusing on what this is all about: baseball.
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never in my life have I seen someone bitch so much about how there team is always getting the shaft. .:|



Did you miss all the Cubs and Red Sox "curse" stuff from the last couple of years? Stros fans are mad because of a strange policy shift by MLB, wheras the Cubs and Sox fans spent decades crying over a "supernatural curse" when in reality they just plian sucked for 50 years.



OMG!!! HERE HERE!! I owe this person BEER! :ph34r:



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ChasingBlueSky WAKE UP!!!!!! THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MLB and it's desicion to step and and force the issue with the Astros!

How would you like it if your boss came over for dinner over the weekend and forced you to open the windows because he wanted to let the fresh air in. Would you just take it without an argument? Granted me bitching and ranting here on some skydiving boards has a lot of impact on the world. It does however let me gripe and vent. MAybe get some constructive conversation about the issue.

Ya know what.. I haven't said it yet and hadn't planned on it.. but FUCK THE WHITE SOX, CHEATING BASTARDS.. whew I feel better.



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never in my life have I seen someone bitch so much about how there team is always getting the shaft. .:|



Did you miss all the Cubs and Red Sox "curse" stuff from the last couple of years? Stros fans are mad because of a strange policy shift by MLB, wheras the Cubs and Sox fans spent decades crying over a "supernatural curse" when in reality they just plian sucked for 50 years.



Which is what makes the Cubs and the BoSox and all that junk so annoying. It's been more about poor ownership, bad luck and terrible playing. Most of that is there to pull in the non-baseball fans, to give it a sense of myth and blah blah blah. People gravitate to drama like that, much like whuffos ask "what if your chute doesn't open."

I have a t-shirt: No talk about curses or goats. Just Win.

Read every post I've ever made about the White Sox. The reason I am proud to be a life long fan is that I go for the baseball, the game, the fundamentals and none of that other yuppie junk.
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Read every post I've ever made about the White Sox. The reason I am proud to be a life long fan is that I go for the baseball, the game, the fundamentals and none of that other yuppie junk.



I've been an Astros fan for life. They've got no curse or "yuppie junk" to whine about. It's all been bad ownership and shitty moves during the off seasons. The Astros have however been in the playoffs and won their division many more times then the White Sox have in the last 45 years.



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ChasingBlueSky WAKE UP!!!!!! THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MLB and it's desicion to step and and force the issue with the Astros!

THey told them to open the roof. Hot damn, is that ever a bad thing. Baseball played outside? How untraditional. Just plain shocking. Scandal. Cancel the series. I can't believe the horror of this.

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Ya know what.. I haven't said it yet and hadn't planned on it.. but FUCK THE WHITE SOX, CHEATING BASTARDS.. whew I feel better.



And I will be the true baseball fan and say good luck to the Stros....I hope they play their best tonight. I love a good game.

Cheating? Sorry, hasn't happened. But, enjoy that and take comfort in that if it will help you swallow two loses and two terrible pitches.
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Did you miss all the Cubs and Red Sox "curse" stuff from the last couple of years? Stros fans are mad because of a strange policy shift by MLB, wheras the Cubs and Sox fans spent decades crying over a "supernatural curse" when in reality they just plian sucked for 50 years.



I am a life long cubs fan...have never believed in the curse...and I don't bitch about it causing my team to suck so much. actualy for the last couple of years they have played well over .500 ball. The real reason...well up till a couple of years ago...for losing so much is the sever drought of money pumped into the team. Trust me I can argue that truth for sure. I believe I was talking about slappie and only slappie by my comments....no one else.

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So you get used to it, and learn to fight and argue for respect because you're placed as the underdogs ALL THE TIME.



I'm a Cubs fan...don't give me crap about being labeled the underdogs. once again...I think your perception is skewed about the national media.

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I've been an Astros fan for life. They've got no curse or "yuppie junk" to whine about. It's all been bad ownership and shitty moves during the off seasons. The Astros have however been in the playoffs and won their division many more times then the White Sox have in the last 45 years.




....yea? Like I don't know what the Sox have and haven't done in the past? I've suffered as a fan for 32 years and have been going to games since 1982. I'm not on the bandwagon thinking that Resinsdorf is the greatest owner because I know what he has done over the years....and was responsible for the last time the Sox had the best chance of winning in '94....he was a huge part of the lockout.

I'll take our current 2-0 lead over having more postseason wins since your team was founded.
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So you get used to it, and learn to fight and argue for respect because you're placed as the underdogs ALL THE TIME.



I'm a Cubs fan...don't give me crap about being labeled the underdogs. once again...I think your perception is skewed about the national media.



Hey the Cubs get better press then the Astros and the Cubs are watching the series from their couches... My perseption is just fine. :ph34r:

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I'll take our current 2-0 lead over having more postseason wins since your team was founded.



At this point in time I would too.. But you can't say the Stros don't have talent and got to the series with crap play.



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So you get used to it, and learn to fight and argue for respect because you're placed as the underdogs ALL THE TIME.



I'm a Cubs fan...don't give me crap about being labeled the underdogs. once again...I think your perception is skewed about the national media.



hehe...underdogs in Chicago? Try being a Sox fan in this town...esp when I lived on the N Side for a few years :P;)
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Hey the Cubs get better press then the Astros and the Cubs are watching the series from their couches... My perseption is just fine. :ph34r:



Heh...now you know what its been like in this town my entire life. Sox in first place all season and guess who is on the back page every damn day while they lose....yup, the Cubs.
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FUCK THE WHITE SOX, CHEATING BASTARDS.. whew I feel better.



How the White Sox cheating you? MLB is cheating the Stro's fans for sure...but the White Sox are not a cheating ball club. now maybe back in 1919 they mighta been doing that stuff.;);)

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At this point in time I would too.. But you can't say the Stros don't have talent and got to the series with crap play.



Then a stupid roof shouldn't matter that much. The pitcher you are starting tonight worries me... alot. You should be more worried about the strength of the rest of your starters now that Roger is out.
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